Sabbath Study…”America in Prophecy” July 26, 2008

“And after these things I saw ANOTHER angel come
down from heaven, having great power; and the earth
was lightened with his glory.“-REV 18:1

June 2001,
STEVE: “Clive, I am telling you, I have been given the seventh Angels message, It’s hard to describe it was like all at once
I knew the Bible, I mean intimately like a man knows a woman.  Tell me, I know that obviously there was a guy
Named Steve in the audience, But has he, or did he ever Claim to have the Seventh Angels Message?  Has
FOR THAT MATTER Has Anyone ELSE come foreward claiming to have the Seventh Angels Message?
Clive:  “NO.”
Clive: ” SO, What is the Seventh Angels Message?”
Steve: ” I can’t tell you, not yet, …it is for the time of the end.”

REV 18:2 AND HE CRIED MIGHTILY WITH A GREAT VOICE…”BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN…IS FALLEN”

September 11th, 2001, just about “the 9th hour” as time is reckoned today.
In the space of about an Hour, Babylon…fell.  The Twin Towers struck by terrorist attack,
brought the attention of the entire world.  An hour later, the world fell silent for the space of “about a half hour”
The kings of the world saw her burning from afar off…

(TOWER 1)10:05 am 9-11-2001…”Is fallen.”


“IS FALLEN….”

(TOWER 2), 10:28 am 9-11-2001

Now before we continue, let’s go back, back further.  Let’s look at the book of Nahum.  David Koresh preached from Nahum, so vividly that those in Mt. Carmel, not only recognized those 16 tanks outside thier building as the fulfillment of those scriptures, but anticipated thier coming, years before they did so.

Victor Houteff Preached from Nahum, so vividly, that generations after his death, those who followed him in life, while maybe not entirely grasping his message, await him to return from the grave.

The first time I heard anyone make a “present day application” of prophetic teaching of the Bible, was from the book of Nahum.  It was however not from the Branch Davidians.  It was, from the Baptists, not the southern, but the independant fundamentalists.  A deacon in our church, very much a student of the word, noted a couple years prior to Waco, that Nahum, seemed to be fulfilling itself.  I don’t claim him to be right, nor Koresh or Houteff for that matter, nor do I seek to exhalt my own beliefs in the matter above, beneath or in collusion with any of the former.  I do however note what I believe God has shown me of such matters, of which you will have to judge for your self as to correctness in present application.

Fred, during Desert Storm came to church excited one day over a bible study he was conducting for his own growth.
He was always doing so.  I remember he could quite vividly detail, by detail, point you to an application of the structural components and ornamentsof the temple in the wilderness in relation to the person of and a “prophecy” of  the coming of Christ, both 2000 years ago and beyond to our (then) current timespan.  This was a couple of years before Waco.  Oh his version of Nahum was different than what we hear of David Koresh and April 1993, and I am not here going to focus on endorsing or discount it either, but note an element of truth seemed present in what Fred offered.  And at the time, well, it seemed quite profound.  He noted that Historically, Iraq was once Assyria, and went to the prophecy of Nahum, to Ninevah, an Assyrian city.  He noted passages in the book which pointed that the people of the land had the hearts of women, suggesting that the thousands of Iraqi soldiers who dropped thier guns and turned themselves over to the sight of almost a single American (perhap exaggerated for effect) was the actual fulfillment of passages in Nahum.

Nahum 2:8 – But Nineveh [is] of old like a pool of water: yet they shall flee away. Stand, stand, [shall they cry]; but none shall look back.

Nahum 3:13(a)  Behold, thy people in the midst of thee [are] women:

He also pointed that Iraq had tanks they purchased from Russia whose armor was made of a highly Dense compressed fiber…WOOD FIBRE, and if ever they could possibly be set on fire…they would literally burn for days if not weeks.  He supported his viewpoint here:  “I will burn her chariots in the smoke”

Nahum 2:13 – Behold, I [am] against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots in the smoke, and the sword shall devour thy young lions: and I will cut off thy prey from the earth, and the voice of thy messengers shall no more be heard.

But while we did win that skirmish, I don’t recall tanks that burnt in such fashion, though I am sure quite a few burnt…And I must confess, I am sure Fred noted likewise as studious as he was, and it maybe that he pointed to such event as a near fulfillment, with expectations of a fully complete fulfillment, and in anticipation of “the Rapture.”

He noted that pretty much most of the world was (then) against Israel, and that America and Britian were always her defenders.  He pointed to a passage of scripture in Ezekiel 38, and told me that “AMERICA…was prophecied in the old testament.”

I was like…”WHATTT???? Show me where…”  He did,

He took me to Ezekiel 38,  and showed me in such fashion, promoting the idea that ”The Rapture” had to be at hand as such events were to fulfill themselves according to that doctrine and interpretation of prophecy (one I now know to have been close, but incorrect) just prior to Christ establishing his Kingdom.  He pointed this event in that timeframe as being the catalyst…I should note to you here that 2000 years ago, the Pharisees were of the same, and only at most one generation descended from those whose view of prophecy was so close that it stirred Herod’s heart to slay all the male children in the land under 2 years old.

Fred noted the army of Christ on Horseback, as that doctrines version taught, pointing to verse 15 and following as a timeframe when Christ would arrive.  That doctrine teaches still that Jerusalem would be surrounded by the armies of the world, and would be near vanquihed when Christ would show up on the scene with an army on White horses all dressed in white raiment, and while that doctrine may have “some” elements of truth, they are mostly Fable, though Cunningly devised.  The most popular doctrine of even the death of Christ, was devised by the Pharisees themselves prior to sending him to Calvary, to cover up their murderous plot, it was they who determined the view that God had sent Christ to die, such is recorded in your very bibles.  Later the world would even cast his very name, Yeshua, to the ground as prophecied in Daniel, to replace it insultingly so, with an idolic Pagan namesake of reference, accusing Yeshua to have been sent of, or actually even be the greek god, Zeus.  JESUS, literally means…”Healing Zeus.”  Consider the Life of Christ 2000 years ago, the woman at the well, the leper, the blind man, Lazurus.

Anyway, where was I before that rabbit trail…?  Oh yes, Fred.

After laying the ground work to promote the Rapture doctrine, as many in that denomination later held the private belief that “The Rapture” would have to occur  in 1993, as most beleived in a set of “religious Numerology” that prompted the belief that “The Day of The Lord would occur in the year 2000″ and hence by logic,  2000, minus 7 years for their “Great Tribulation” another element of that interpretation would create a situation that the “rapture” could transpire NO LATER than 1993…after all God was bound by thier timelines and expectations right?  I mean we wouldn’t want God to be late now would we?  Oh sleeping virgins…wake up.

As I am on and on about the fallicy of that mainstream belief set, I should note what else Fred offered, things of a more factual, and true nature, things which actually excited him to see on some small level that Nahum was fullfilling itself nearly 2 years prior to 1993.

He illustrated the first 14 verses if Ezekiel 38…

38:1
And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
38:2
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Now Fred stopped here and noted a thing to me, as he said he intended to show me America prophesied in the Old Testament…He noted that the lands of (then) today, are not called what they once were, pointing that Gog and Magog, were regions now called Russia, and Magog, more specifically Moscow, that Meshech and Tubal, were basically Turkey, he went on to point to other passages following up to verse 14 noting that Gomer is now Germany, Persia, now Iran, of course Babylon…then Iraq, by the way, Saddam Hussein believed himself to be the modern incarnation of Nebudchudnezzar, google and image of his palace, it is an exact replica of the ancient temple of Nebudchudnezzar and built on the exact site of it’s ancient ruins.  Fred went on to note where we were then, noting even the name of the war was Desert Storm and as it was in progress, his excitement, was agitated to the thought that Hussein may start a Nuclear war against Israel, he certainly made such threats as he launched his SKUD missles at the country…and at the timeframe, America was still greatly agitated at the memory of the Cold war, and the ever present danger of the Russians “pushing the button as other mid-east regions regions were showing thier alliegance to Iraq by virtue of their discontent with Israel, by “Not” siding with America, but openly stating “neutrality.”
But while it came close, Freds Rapture did not happen in that timeline, still he noted to me then Verse 13, and these first 13 verses leading up to a prophesy of the Son of Man, taught by that group to be Christ,
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38:9
Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
38:10
Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
38:11
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
38:12
To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
38:13
Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
Tarsus, and her Young Lions….Fred noted that Tarsus is now Britian.  He also noted that the passage of scripture here in Ezekiel cross referenced with the timeframe of what he claimed scripture offered of Iraq in the book of Nahum, noting that in chapter 2 verse 11 stated…
NAHUM 2:11 – Where [is] the dwelling of the lions, and the feedingplace of the young lions, where the lion, [even] the old lion, walked, [and] the lion’s whelp, and none made [them] afraid?
Illustrating that the Assyria would be a dwelling place of Lions and Young Lions, where and “OLD LION” walked, and her cub…”young lions” and as the Iraqi army fled in cowardice during Desert storm…”NONE MADE THEM AFRAID,”
Now A lion, was the symbol at one time for the region of Assyria, but Fred’s application of this passage was to show America in Prophecy, and while I agree she can be seen in NAHUM, Fred’s version was off a bit, a crucial bit…
But Fred was right, Tarsus, is now Great Britian, and he also correctly noted that the symbol for Great Britian was a Lion.
I recall something about him counting that our 13 colonies once were represented by a symbol that consisted of a Lion (Englsih Empire/Britian) with 13 small lions beneath(British American Colonies) during a timespan when Colonial America was under the dominate influence of the East Indian Trading Company, though I have yet to find such a flag or symbol, and concede my memory may be inaccurate on that point, But I don’t think so.  Though I do note he referenced such a union as that which “America” is the young lions, and I do distinctly recall such a reference to Colonial America.  I can tell you for certain that our very first flag, “THE GRAND UNION” flag flown during the American Revolution, was IDENTICAL to that of The EAST INDIAN TRADING COMPANY in it’s same timeframe. The symbol for the East Trading company does consist of  A lion at the top, representing England, and two lions below as her whelps.
He noted well to place America in Nahum 2 verse 11
But what he missed…it the fact that was not a statement, but rather a question…what being asked was “WHERE IS SUCH A PLACE?”  A place where this lion, and her young lions could walk and not be afraid…oh, we start to see a different picture now don’t we my boardhost friends?
As I said, God revealed present day applications to a prophetic Timeline of America to Victor Houteff in the book of Nahum,  he wrote extensively of such in a tract entitled “WAR NEWS FORECAST: Digest of Nahum’s Prediction” this was Tract No. 14 of the Universal Publishing Assn in Waco.
I remember watching an interview with a dissadent Branch Davidian Girl during the siege…at one point she said when asked her feelings about those inside…”It’s happening just like he said it would, he showed us this in the Bible, I can show you where…” and then as she reached for her Bible, they cut her off as their purpose in interviewing her was to demonize Koresh.
I wondered  often “What did he show them?” and later at Mt. Carmel, much later, one would show me passages in the Book of Nahum, pointing out the chariots with flaming torches….and the tanks at Mt. Carmel in 1993. As to the history of the book of Nahum…well let’s start there, and then proceed further…
Matthew Henry’s Commentary on Nahum

Commentary on Nahum 1:1-8

About a hundred years before, at Jonah’s preaching, the Ninevites repented, and were spared, yet, soon after, they became worse than ever. Nineveh knows not that God who contends with her, but is told what a God he is. It is good for all to mix faith with what is here said concerning Him, which speaks great terror to the wicked, and comfort to believers. Let each take his portion from it: let sinners read it and tremble; and let saints read it and triumph. The anger of the Lord is contrasted with his goodness to his people. Perhaps they are obscure and little regarded in the world, but the Lord knows them. The Scripture character of Jehovah agrees not with the views of proud reasoners. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is slow to wrath and ready to forgive, but he will by no means acquit the wicked; and there is tribulation and anguish for every soul that doeth evil: but who duly regards the power of his wrath?

Commentary on Nahum 1:9-15

There is a great deal plotted against the Lord by the gates of hell, and against his kingdom in the world; but it will prove in vain. With some sinners God makes quick despatch; and one way or other, he will make an utter end of all his enemies. Though they are quiet, and many very secure, and not in fear, they shall be cut down as grass and corn, when the destroying angel passes through. God would hereby work great deliverance for his own people. But those who make themselves vile by scandalous sins, God will make vile by shameful punishments. The tidings of this great deliverance shall be welcomed with abundant joy. These words are applied to the great redemption wrought out by our Lord Jesus and the everlasting gospel, Romans 10:15. Christ’s ministers are messengers of good tidings, that preach peace by Jesus Christ. How welcome to those who see their misery and danger by sin! And the promise they made in the day of trouble must be made good. Let us be thankful for God’s ordinances, and gladly attend them. Let us look forward with cheerful hope to a world where the wicked never can enter, and sin and temptation will no more be known.

Commentary on Nahum 2:1-10
Nineveh shall not put aside this judgment; there is no counsel or strength against the Lord. God looks upon proud cities, and brings them down. Particular account is given of the terrors wherein the invading enemy shall appear against Nineveh. The empire of Assyria is represented as a queen, about to be led captive to Babylon. Guilt in the conscience fills men with terror in an evil day; and what will treasures or glory do for us in times of distress, or in the day of wrath? Yet for such things how many lose their souls!

Commentary on Nahum 2:11-13

The kings of Assyria had long been terrible and cruel to their neighbours, but the Lord would destroy their power. Many plead as an excuse for rapine and fraud, that they have families to provide for; but what is thus obtained will never do them any good. Those that fear the Lord, and get honestly what they have, shall not want for themselves and theirs. It is just with God to deprive those of children, or of comfort in them, who take sinful courses to enrich them. Those are not worthy to be heard again, that have spoken reproachfully of God. Let us then come to God upon his mercy-seat, that having peace with him through our Lord Jesus Christ, we may know that he is for us, and that all things shall work together for our everlasting good.

Commentary on Nahum 3:1-7

When proud sinners are brought down, others should learn not to lift themselves up. The fall of this great city should be a lesson to private persons, who increase wealth by fraud and oppression. They are preparing enemies for themselves; and if the Lord sees good to punish them in this world, they will have none to pity them. Every man who seeks his own prosperity, safety, and peace, should not only act in an upright, honourable manner, but with kindness to all.

Commentary on Nahum 3:8-19

Strong-holds, even the strongest, are no defence against the judgments of God. They shall be unable to do any thing for themselves. The Chaldeans and Medes would devour the land like canker-worms. The Assyrians also would be eaten up by their own numerous hired troops, which seem to be meant by the word rendered “merchants.” Those that have done evil to their neighbours, will find it come home to them. Nineveh, and many other cities, states, and empires, have been ruined, and should be a warning to us. Are we better, except as there are some true Christians amongst us, who are a greater security, and a stronger defence, than all the advantages of situation or strength? When the Lord shows himself against a people, every thing they trust in must fail, or prove a disadvantage; but he continues good to Israel. He is a strong-hold for every believer in time of trouble, that cannot be stormed or taken; and he knoweth those that trust in Him.

This Study will resume Next Sabbath, Until then I invite you to read what Victor Houteff has to say on Nahum at this link:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddh48qj_15cwq76x

(to Be continued next Sabbath)

A Commentary of Nahum in 2008 by Steven “Benjamin”
Nahum 1:1 – The burden of Nineveh.
The book of the vision of
Nahum the Elkoshite.

2 – God [is] jealous, and
the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth,
and [is] furious;
the LORD will take vengeance
on his adversaries, and he reserveth [wrath] for his enemies.
3 – The LORD [is] slow to anger,
and great in power, and will not
at all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD
hath his way in the whirlwind and
in the storm, and the clouds [are]
the dust of his feet.
4 – He rebuketh the sea, and maketh

it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.


Commentary

Prophecy is often “Dual” in nature. When Christ prophesied the destruction of the temple 2000 years ago and other events. He spake from the book of Daniel whose prophecies had at least partially shortly after Daniels time from about 500- 550 BC. But his use of the prophecies of Daniel were of practical application to the present condition of the Jews in his day.


While there is a historical interpretation of the Book of Nahum, the interpretation offered here is practical in nature as it applies to our time, today.


Chapter 1 VS 1—Nahum brings God’s message to Judah to comfort them shortly before Babylon invaded and defeated the Assyrian empire carrying the Jews into captivity. He foretells of Nineveh’s coming destruction.

1 vs 2 God is  jealous—a matter of vengeance ( cross reference “the Lord revengeth, the Lord revengeth” with “is fallen, is fallen” in Revelations 18.)

There are TWO matters here to be noted in application, one A matter of VENGENACE…this will be
addressed in further detail in the AUG 8, 2008 continuation of this Message,
The same passage will illuminate another matter… A MATTER OF JEALOUSY.

YOU see, 2000 years ago YESHUA was crucified.  Later, prophecies of Daniel would be fulfilled
which stated a timeframe when the name of GOD would be cast to the ground.  In his ministry
David Koresh illuminated to the point that JESUS Christ was A PAGAN NAME, a reference to
the Greek “god of lightning…ZEUS.”  JE’SUS CHRISTOS, (HA ZEUS) literally means
“HEALING ZEUS, THE ANNOINTED ONE”, now here in Nahum, you will find a time when

“NO MORE OF THY MESSENGERS WILL BE HEARD” and likewise in REVELATIONS 18, when this study
continues, you will see a timeframe where “NO MORE OF THY NAME BE SOWN” a matter
of Jealousy persists.

Here we see 9-11 again  in Prophecy, as we did with Revelations 18, which focused on NY, here we see Focus on Washington DC, note that in both Revelations 18 and here in Nahum, only 2/3 or more of the passages were fulfilled, there are events in each…yet to come.


1 vs 3 the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the stormthe whirlwind is a reference to Elijah – see II Kings chapter 2 and the clouds are the dust of his feet. The Storm references The Son of man, a prophecy in Exekiel 38, Cross reference with Thessalonians chapter 4 vs 16 and 17.

You Know here we will skip  ahead for abit, You see everyone is expecting Christ to come in the Clouds…here we see one whom the clouds are the very dust of his feet…look at what verse 15 says here in chapter one…

“Nahum 1:15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace!”

Sure I have no doubt the Bible Records Christ will come in the clouds…but I ask you, Have you ever walked in the clouds?
I have, many others have, and had the clouds to be the very dust of thier feet…ever go camping, stand on a mountaintop early in the morning?  What did you see at your feet, did you notice Clouds?

Inevetablly some will throw Acts Chapter one at me here, citing Christ’s Ascension, and pointing that verse 10 said he would come back in like fashion…but they overlook that even the disciples misunderstood this and had to be corrected nigh immediately, the truth is, what was said is

“   9: And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10: And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11: Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

“AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN.”  Well, in what manner?  What did they witness?  They didn’t see a Descension…they witnessed an Ascenscion,   They saw Christ Ascend through the life of mortal flesh and enter into Heaven.  There is more here about Paul, but we will have to address that at another time.  What is important, is The Disciples Did not need two witnesses to tell them Jesus was coming back…they needed two witnesses to tell them  HE WASN”T COMING BACK IN THE TIMELINE AND FASHION THEY EXPECTED HIM TO!

And yet you have denominations across the land, standing, gazing, looking in awe to the clouds….you think they might learn by example of the very Disciples.


1 vs 4  He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: cross reference this with “ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days…….These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.” Revelations Chapter 11 vs, 4-6

Bashan languisheth, cross reference this with Psalms Chapter 22 vs 12, a messianic reference to the persecutors of God’s chosen vessel. and Carmel,A place called Carmel also languisheth, Carmel was the mountain upon which Elijah held the trial of Fire with the priests’ of Baal. and the flower of Lebanon languisheth. Also a messianic reference, One of the names of Christ is also a flower, “the lily of the Valley.”  And we see this individual, has power to dry up rivers and ocenas.

5 – The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 – Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
7 – The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
8 – But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.

1 vs an overrunning flood…Judgement which will affect the entire world. Cross reference with Revelations chapter 18 verses 3 and 9.  Note in verse 5, the mountains “quake at him,” 2000 years ago, we see one who demonstrates the power to control the very winds of heaven, Here in Nahum we see one of whom the mountains quake, the hills melt, and the earth burns…interesting…drought, earthquakes and global warming…hmmm, interesting that this indvidual should be able to effect the enviroment in such a fashion….Zecheriah 14 records of Christ that those who do not go up to see him…where?  In the moutnaintop,  those who do not pay respect, he will deny them rain for thier crops…he will effectively
scorch the earth they live in, as thier nations, thier lands will get no rain, they will not be able to grow crops….

9 – What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
10 – For while [they be] folden together [as] thorns, and while they are drunken [as] drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
11 – There is [one] come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.
Here we see another, one who imagines Evil against the LORD,  somehow, I feel the need to set the “Pace” to April 19, 2006.
12 – Thus saith the LORD; Though [they be] quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.
13 – For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.
14 – And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, [that] no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.
1 vs 14  no more of thy name be sown…” cross reference
with Revelations 18:23 “ The voice of the bridegroom and the bride
shall be heard no more at all in thee:”  Interesting that we have
a world full  of “Christians” who worship the name of a Greek
god in place of Yeshua, who died so long ago on the cross of
Calvary, and we see a timeframe now beginning, of a judgement,
that will see to it amongst other things “THAT LIE”  exposed, that
to that world, and those wicked who cast the name of God to the
ground the proclaimatin that “no more of thy name be sown…”
15 – Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth
good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn
feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass
through thee; he is utterly cut off.
Nahum 2 1 – He that dasheth in pieces is come up before thy face:
keep the munition, watch the way, make [thy] loins strong, fortify [thy]
power mightily.
2 vs 1 He that dasheth in pieces is come up before thy face:Daniel 2 vs 28-42 and Daniel 7 vs 7 both are references to a fourth and final kingdom
and both make reference to one who brake in pieces…”

2 – For the LORD hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
3 – The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men [are] in scarlet:the chariots [shall be] with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.

The sheild of  the might men of modern Israel ismade red…they have blood on thier hands.  All soldiers face taking, and many takelife, such is war and duty, but these soldiers…they are guilty…in 1993 for the first timein US history, the UNITED STATES Governement used tanks on it’s own citizens…
16 of them (tanks) to be exact. They lied when they said Delta force was not involved
as at least 10 operatives were on the grounds.  They later lied about the capacity of
those which came forward, and that they actually contributed to the siege.  The valiant
men of Modern Israel, are in scarlet attire…Ft. Bragg is home of the Delta Force, it is also
home of the pride of the army,  the 82nd airborne…

http://djoutdoors.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/82nd-airborne2.JPG

2 vs 3 shall be with flaming torches… in 1993,

as I watched the events unfold at Waco through news broadcasts, there was a broadcast in
which the media tried to vilify David Koresh and the Branch Davidians in which they showed
a young girl who had left the Branch Davidian Church and tried to coerce her dissidence to
illustrate their spin doctoring, at one point in the interview after asking her to confirm reports
of multiple wives and children by the same of David Koresh, they asked her what she thought
about the events taking place as the “compound” was in a standoff at that point for some time,
she hesitated and said “it’s happening, just like he said it would, he showed us this in the Bible,
and it’s happening exactly how he said it would, I can show you…” and they cut her off. What
captivated my attention most was not the fact that they cut her off, as it was obvious that their
interest were starting to be compromised, but it was the look in her eyes. I grew up in churches,
went off to Bible College, served in the church, when she said “it’s happening just like he said it
would” I saw the look in her eyes, she was haunted. She was a dissident, an opposing viewpoint
by her own exodus from the Branch Davidian Church, but she was haunted by a truth she
could not escape.

I would tell friends, “there is something more to this Guy, he is either Christ or the
Anti-Christ,  we’ll know in seven years…” Seven years later, my life would change forever.


Victor Houteff saw these  Chariots in verses 3 and 4 as automobiles, and tanks,

Koresh likewise,

look again at verse 3

” the chariots [shall be] with flaming torches in the day of his preparation,

and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken. “

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/missile/naic/012-1.jpg

Look here, do you see  a flaming torch?  Imagine the photo upside down…

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/missiles/icbm.jpg

4 – The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one

against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches,

they shall run like the lightnings.

“They shall seem like torches”

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“They shall seem like lightnings “

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg/380px-Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg

5 – He shall recount his worthies: they shall stumble in their walk;
they shall make haste to the wall thereof, and the defence shall be prepared.

“Shall recount his worthies”

http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/spain1213.php

http://www.france24.com/en/20080709-missile-deal-should-not-worry-russia-says-us-usa-russia&navi=MONDE

When they figure this out, they are going to make haste to build a defense,
but it will be too late. And at that time…A male leader (President) will face the
disloyalty of his allies, leaving him to his own, as they will break their allegiances
…already we witness the foreshadow of such events

6 – The gates of the rivers shall be opened, and the palace shall be dissolved.

7 – And Huzzab shall be led away captive, she shall be brought up, and her
maids shall lead [her] as with the voice of doves, tabering upon their breasts.

8 – But Nineveh [is] of old like a pool of water: yet they shall flee away.
Stand, stand, [shall they cry]; but none shall look back.

Note the reference here to a FORMER kingdom in relevance to the fulfillment
of the prophecy given….the reference to
“NINVEH OF OLD”

9 – Take ye the spoil of silver, take the spoil of gold: for [there is]
none end of the store [and] glory out of all the pleasant furniture.

10 – She is empty, and void, and waste: and the heart melteth,
and the knees smite together, and much pain [is] in all loins,
and the faces of them all gather blackness.

Here you see the Palace in Babylon overthrown…google Sadaams Palace and

see what goodies were taken out of there…
11 – Where [is] the dwelling of the lions, and the feedingplace of the young lions,
where the lion, [even] the old lion, walked, [and] the lion’s whelp, and none
made [them] afraid?

A question is asked…where is the dwelling of the Lions (English/British)? and the

feeding place of the Young lions (the heirs, constituents…colonies of the British empire)?

It is, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!  that is where.  Verse 12, points a past/present

picture of the USA, verse 13 paints a Present/Future picture…

12 – The lion did tear in pieces enough for his whelps, and strangled
for his lionesses, and filled his holes with prey, and his dens with ravin.

13 – Behold, I [am] against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her
chariots in the smoke, and the sword shall devour thy young lions: and I will cut
off thy prey from the earth, and the voice of thy messengers
shall no more be heard.

Nahum 3


A city who has a high crime rate, and is full of lies and  and robbery http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/for0213l.jpg
and the prey departeth not, a place where the industrialization of
degradation rules…
who rules by oppression, the noise of a whip,
has pransing horses and jumping chariots
3 – The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear:and [there is] a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases;and [there is] none end of [their] corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:
“The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword”

http://www.thedctraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/horse-soldier.jpg

“ and the glittering spear”

http://www.troop83nc.org/images/washington/bg_HonorGuard.JPG

This is a capitol city, with the ability to send men to war…

“and a great number of carcases; and [there is] none end of [their]

corpses; they stumble upon their corpses: “

http://www.archipelago.org/vol8-3/schatzman/Coffins.jpg

http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/img_0738.jpg

http://lelangir.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/vietnam-memorial.jpg

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/BodyCount-X.gif
4 – Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot,
the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms,
and families through her witchcrafts.

“Selleth Nations through her whoredoms”

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/zitkala-sa/stories/title-page.gif

http://www.juntosociety.com/native/NezPerce.jpg

“and families through her witchcrafts”

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5 – Behold, I [am] against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover
thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the
kingdoms thy shame.

6 – And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile, and will set
thee as a gazingstock.

7 – And it shall come to pass, [that] all they that look upon thee shall flee
from thee, and say, Nineveh is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence
shall I seek comforters for thee?


8 – Art thou better than populous No, that was situate among the rivers,
[that had] the waters round about it, whose rampart [was] the sea,
[and] her wall [was] from the sea?

You should superimpose a map of Ninevah, between the Great Zab
and lower Zab, against that of Washington DC…see what you find…
almost Identical…likewise consider that the history of the USA has us with
Ramparts on our shore of arrival, our eastern seaboard, and our western seaboard
well some of you are in California…there is no walled coastline here on the east coast,Perhaps at is northernmost points but not so as to define it…

what about the western
coast? is not her wall from the sea?


9 – Ethiopia and Egypt [were] her strength, and [it was] infinite;
Put and Lubim were thy helpers.

America was built on the scinence of Egypt,  and the slave labor of Ethiopia…

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z270/omerr_2007/dollar_bill_showing_New_World_Order.gif

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t028/T028318A.jpg

http://www.peacebuttons.info/E-News/images/AfricanSlaveTradePoster.jpg


10 – Yet [was] she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children
also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for
her honourable men, and all her great men were bound in chains.


11 – Thou also shalt be drunken: thou shalt be hid, thou also shalt seek strength
because of the enemy.

12 – All thy strong holds [shall be like] fig trees with the firstripe figs: if they be
shaken, they shall even fall into the mouth of the eater.

13 – Behold, thy people in the midst of thee [are] women: the gates of thy land
shall be set wide open unto thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.

“thy people in the midst of thee [are] women”

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14 – Draw thee waters for the siege, fortify thy strong holds: go into clay,
and tread the morter, make strong the brickkiln.

15 – There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut thee off, it shall
eat thee up like the cankerworm: make thyself many as the cankerworm,
make thyself many as the locusts.

16 – Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven:
the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.

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17 – Thy crowned [are] as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers,
which camp in the hedges in the cold day, [but] when the sun ariseth they flee
away, and their place is not known where they [are].

“Thy Crowned are as Locusts”

http://meltaylor.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/wall_street.jpg


18 – Thy shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria: thy nobles shall dwell [in the dust]:
thy people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man gathereth [them].

A land of sleeping shepherds…scripturally ignorant spiritial leaders, creating
sleeping flocks…Christ speaks on a time when “ALL shall be asleep”  and a
voice is sent with the call to awaken…such can be found in the parable
of the Ten Virgins.

19 – [There is] no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear
the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy
wickedness passed continually?

Note the bruise is mentioned…in Revelations 13, we see a beast who recieves
a deadly wound to it’s head, one which is miraculously healed….but, even
wounds leave scars and bruises…should God forget Waco in 1993?  I think
not…on that note, I point you to a past study,
Noting that by perspective, this prophecy does more speaking to the Wicked
during a time of Judgement, and some to the righteous, while Revelations 18,
does more speaking to the Saints of God, while some to the wicked…

1 – Woe to the bloody city! it [is] all full of lies
[and] robbery; the prey departeth not;


2 – The noise of a whip, and the noise of the
rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses,
and of the jumping chariots.

THIS STUDY WILL BE CONTINUED IN the Sabbath Study to be posted on AUGUST 8th and 9th, 2008.

Published in: on July 26, 2008 at 8:51 pm Comments (2)

Sabbath Study 7/18/08

By Steve Crider
An Apology
The last day or so, I may have come off a bit edgy,  I apologize if so.
CENSORSHIP
At this time however, I would like to address Censorship.
Whether or not anyone on this board, anyone on this planet for that matter believes that I have actually been called to finish the work David Koresh started, I DO.
This places me in a unique position.  One of constantly having to prove myself for one thing, to the world in one light, the survivors in another.  And knowing all the while, that if not one soul believes me, I am accountable to God for my commission.  A commission which makes me accountable for the Survivors, there well being physically, and spiritially.
This is not my desire, it is my duty, though my desire is to my duty.   I have refrained from telling a great many things to the Branch Davidian Survivors, not in secrecy, but in discretion so as not to destroy that which God would have me do.
Much Patience has been required.   A great part of my desire to go to Texas, is clear leading in the matter, the timeframe, well that is another matter and the issues complex.  But in that in the desire is the overwhelming need to see to the well being of those survivors from a perspective of Physical needs.  Monday, I sent a large money order to Clive, leaving myself about seven dollars, and feeling great despair at the prospect of where my own needs would be met, still I sent it, because it was the right thing to do, because it was duty, and because I had given my word.
I told Clive Wendi and I were going to start sending our tithes to him.  He did not request this, he did not ask for this.
I told you recently I was going to address the subject on this board, if you had the feeling I may ask you for your tithes, well you probably were not far off, I am not saying that is what I am going to do, but only that you are not far off.
Clive will not do this,  and has stated such, as far as I know, none of the survivors will. Personally, while I am accountable to them on a large level, I am moreso accountable FOR THEM, and I cannot do it alone.  If you went to the memorial and enjoyed your meal, I likely paid for it, while my family were taxed to see to my own needs as that trip cost me on many levels, cost them.  But I consider the matter worth it.
I have given alot, I may ultimately be required to give all, but I answer to one, I answer to God, such is my calling, such is my position.
I am not what the survivors are used to dealing with.  Clive has Lived under 3 prophets, Catherine Likewise, I am certain Sheila has lived under two, and perhaps three, but certain of two.  Our views on prophecy 7 years ago, were distinctly different.  I thought A prophet was someone who told the future and spoke for God.  I would find they thought A prophet was someone who moreso placed the past into perspective than served as some fortune teller, or offering visions of the future.
None of the differences made me, or makes me still any less accountable to do that which I have been called to do.
It makes no difference if you believe me or not as far as I am concerned as to influencing my actions,  because I believe me.  But it may well make a difference if you believe me, in the grand scope of things if I am to effectively perform that which I have been called to do.
On this board, my very first contact with Livingstone, dealt with the matter of my speaking as if I “were some spokesperson for God.”  I offer that my position is the same now as it was then, to any who have doubts as to whether or not that if I am truly a servant of God, Spokesperson or otherwise, again… HE WILL REVEAL THE MATTER.
Many of you on this board have no doubt whatsoever that I am engaged in matters of the Spirit, at least the spirit realm, as I have accurately foretold you many events on this very board.  So, am I a prophet?  Honestly, I don’t know quite well how to answer that question, I can tell you I don’t make the claim, and I can tell you honestly, I DO HOWEVER …PROPHESY.
I guess that question if you yourself have asked it, is something you will have to be the judge of yourself as God guides you to your conclusion, provided you allow God to guide you into your conclusions, whatever they may be.
I know that for 7 or 8 years, I have been visiting Waco.  I know that at least some of the Branch Davidian survivors have been aware of my claims that God has commissioned me to finish the work David Koresh started for at least 7 of those years, and certainly more of them have been coming to awareness of the same.
I know the world has slowly been coming to the same as I continually preach a matter of divine retribution, not offering fairy tales or specualtions which have yet to come to fruition, but timelines and regions for natural disasters to occur, and doing so again and again, you can rest assured I have their attention, and whether they quite yet acknowledge it or not, Heaven, has their attention.  I know that for all my reporting having visions to the Branch Davidian survivors over the last 7 years it was only in the last 3, that such reports came BEFORE the actuall fulfillments of any events.  The first and foremost dealing with April 19, 2005, a timeframe in which both the new Pope was elected as I prophecied to that specific timeframe to those in NC, and after sent inquiry immediately of what transpired in Waco, as I had been concerned for some VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT event to occur.  I would recieve reply that nothing unusual happened, and wondering why all the concern.  I still have Clive’s letter.  But something Unusual did happen, something that NEVER happened before, and it would be months later, after Pope Benedict stood in the pulpit area of the oldest Jewish Synagouge, THE Pope, The head of “ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY” and “A NAZI” seemingly standing where he ought not, in the pulpit of a Jewish Temple, and recieving a standing Ovation, and after learning of this,  I would find that simultaneously that  as this new leader of a false religion making his debut on April 19th, in a timeline that for two months I had prophecied an event of religious signifacance would occur at BOTH ROME and WACO,…. THAT APRIL 19th, Charles Pace would cover the distance that spans a short walk from his house to the new chapel at Mt. Carmel, to attend his very first Memorial service, supposedly offering an olive branch and “paying his respects.”  Now while Clive reported to me nothing out of the ordianary had occurred in the June letter of 2005, his letters several months later revealed different, and now all likely see that day as a significant timeframe for Waco, as Mt. Carmel no longer belongs to the actual Survivors of the 1993 Tradgedy, and with the exception of Ofelia, to my knowledge not one more of those survivors embraces Charles’s teachings.
This would be significant for other reasons as the first “prophecy” I spoke to Clive about, was an event that had already transpired….one he did not recognize immediately, but one in which God would reveal as right  on the nose, putting the past into perspective, as the then present unfolded upon that vision I had reported.  This would lead into many other visions being told BEFORE thier fulfillment, and later, with the actions of Charles on April 19th, 2006, a fulfillment of prophecies made to the Branch Davidians prior to 2005, first to David Thibodeau, and later others, including Clive.  Now here on this board, yourselves, by “Placing the past into perspective.”
As to doing so with Scripture, I have hardly begun to scratch the surface, as much of my time has been consumed in seemingly unfortunately having to prove myself.  While no one seems to make much of my claiming to have been commissioned to “finish the work that David Koresh Started” when I have in the past tried to present doctrine, it’s another matter entirely when I have told homeland security agencies quite accurately and in advance of some natural disaster to occur, told them well in advance and in detail, and all the while proclaiming Divine Retribution of the attrocities committed by the U.S. Government in Waco on April 19, 1993.
But on the brighter side of that, now, after much such events, I have the undivided attention of even the Branch Davidians.
I have tried to be very polite in my position, and my presentation on this board, and to the Surviving Branch Davidians, not for sake of “not offering offence” but more so, for fulfilling my obligations to God.  If I in doing my job determine that I need to use discretion in presenting certain information, well as I am accountable, that is my right.
Clive told me some time ago, and on no less that two different occasions of having to be very careful of what he says, that his words not be published with even good intent to fall into the hands of the enemy, to be misused for the purpose they were intended.  And this church, this organization has no shortage of enemies.
This is a warfare, it is A spiritial warfare, with physically tangible manifestions of victories and losses, and there is no collateral damage from God’s point of view, only victims and resucues from mine.
Secrecy is often part of warfare, before I ever read the recent posts accusing me of secrecy, yesterday as I was riding to my Aunts home, God spoke to me on the fact that this is a warfare, that secrecy is part of warfare, and that there a reason much of the Bible has been a mystery for so long.  In war, one enemies biggest weopon, is true knowledge of your gameplan, your strategy.  Upon vanquishing your enemy, it is easy to  reveal such, to show you fallen foe, you were telling him all along, to show the same to the world, to all of creation to bear witness to the same, to your victor.
A Sabbath Study
If you think God doesn’t have secrets, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY MISTAKEN, You are in need of
a concordanance,
a Bible study,
a history lesson
or one or all of the above.
And you are mistaken if you think his servants, even  the very angels of heaven don’t have and keep secrets…
David Koresh himself can be heard in one of his audio sermons citing that there (were) many experiences he had in the Spirit he dared not share with the Branch Davidians for reasons of maturity and their being able to cope with the truths…believe me, I totally get this.
Read what the Angel told Manoah in Judges 13:18
GOD WILL NOT DO ANYTHING….NOTHING…..NADA…..NOT ONE SOLITARY MOVE…..
without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets….
AMOS 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Since this is a Sabbath Study,  I point, an reccomend you break out your own Bibles and investigate to see that
Time and again we such in scripture…
Gen 6:13 18:17
1Ki 22:19-23
2Ki 3:17-20 6:12 22:13,20
Ps 25:14
Da 9:22-27 10:21…
I don’t know who you serve, but I know who I serve, I serve JAH’ The living God, and maybe you do too, I am not trying to be insulting, I am being honest.  I once told the same to a girl whose life was highly questionable and made a statement to me along the lines of my being inappropriate in response to her sneezing in not saying ”God Bless You” to which I told her the same thing…”I don’t what God you Serve, for all I know we don’t serve the same God.”    I know some people serve images, and some people serve ideas, or notions, some people serve fairy tales and entertain ideas of sprouting wings and flying off into the great blue yonder…just the other day someone “quoted” the Bible to me…and added a couple “thees” and “thous” or good ol’ “Shalt soon be” for authenticity, but the truth of the matter is, many do so falsely, citing scripture which does not exist, and many more cite scripture which does exist to justify doctrines which are false.   Now what one does when finding the truth, whether growing, or rejecting the same to the preference of the security that accompanies continuing to embrace false doctrine, separates wheat from tares.   So when I say I don’t know what God you serve, I say it in earnest and not unkindness, we may actually serve the same God, I only know I serve the living God, and he tells me his secrets, and you have been witness to such time and again, now you can do what you want, you believe your fairy tales, hold out hope in doctrines which justify your hopes, expectations and/or past positions.  How many of you would for a moment have entertained as much of what I had to say as you did, were it not for some event I predicted.  How much weight would my doctrinal views carry…some, little, any?
I can tell you from personal experience it is a taxing thing on ones body to operate in the Spirit so.  Daniel reported falling ill after at least one of his visions.  Moses at Sinai asked God to  speak to the entire nation, he did, and they feared for their very life, pleading with him to “Speak to Moses, lest we die.”
God has brought me and Wendi together, and done so for a reason, we both have unique talents to deal with the negative media spin put out by the government in 1993, she has an honors degree in Broadcast journalism and public relations, myself in advertising, we know how to deal with influencing public opinion.  But for you to possibly see such reasons,
you are going to have to for a moment acknowledge the various differing ‘prophetic’ viewpoints out there, even and especially those amongst the survivors, to even entertain the such notions as 2013.  I mean what if were all here in 40 years, I am not saying we will be, I am saying that there are many, MANY viewpoints out there about David Koresh and what he said or didn’t say, and from those, even amongst the survivors…DIFFERENT PROPHETIC VIEWS to our present condition in the light of prophecy…this is not an opinion, this is a fact, and until you acknowledge such truth as present facts, you can’t begin to fathom deeper truths such as prophetic stand points.  And in those many viewpoints, one must certainly entertain the notion, that maybe the world is going to end tommorrow, or next Tuesday.  This doen’t mean were not in for a bad go of it, but I am saying, such should certainly not be ruled out without clear, distinct leading.
When David was alive, his message was disputed.   It was disputed by Charles Pace, it was disputed by George Roden…but more importantly and to the point I am trying to drive home to you,…it was disputed by any surviving group of Florence Houteff, as was Ben Roden’s.  The same Florence Houteff whom Ben Roden angered many of his followers in his last years of his life, upon announcing he had a vision which God showed him that some of the visions of Florence Houteff, visions which ALL OF “THE BRANCHES”….at one time rejected, including Ben Roden himself, who later, and then in the latter stages of his life was shown that Florence Houteff’s  would come to pass one day and would be part of his message as well.  There was anger because there a history of animosity amongst these groups.
In his own ministry, and recorded on audio, David Koresh states…and I paraprhase loosely “yeah, and there are a bunch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists who are STILL waiting (more than 20 years later) for Brother Houteff to come back from the dead and rule the earth….WELL….they can keep on waiting can’t They? It’s not gonna happen”
DO you not get the gravity of that, the paralell and present application….do you not think for a moment that perhaps maybe, just maybe, there were those who might have been expecting Ellen White to come back from the dead?
WHAT WAS VICTOR HOUTEFF”S MESSAGE….?
IT WAS THE GATHERING…..THE SEALING…of the 144,000, where does that place him as seeing himself, the world in 1930, what events did HE Beleive had already transpired, in light of Seventh Day Adventist teachings on Prophecy prior to his expulsion from the organization?  He THOUGHT THE 144,000 were being sealed….HE SURELY MUST HAVE had opinions about the ministry of Christ in the world in that timeframe….surely the SDA had a chronology of events to their teachings as to when the 144,000 would be sealed in relation to the timeline of the return of Christ.
In the 1950’s the Daviidan SDA after Victor Houteffs deaths sold their possessions, and moved to Waco, setting up a TENT CITY…we are talking about a very large number of people here….and they waited on something, sold all they had to go there and wait…FOR WHAT?????
For VICTOR HOUTEFF TO RETURN FROM THE DEAD!!!!!
JUST WHO DO YOU THINK THEY THOUGHT HE WAS?????
Don’t you SEE IT?
THERE ARE STILL DAVIDIAN SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS WAITING…..WAITING ON BROTHER HOUTEFF TO COME BACK FROM THE DEAD AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
2000 YEARS AGO…THE JEWs were waiting on ELIJAH.  Obviously they missed alot of what Elijah was trying to tell them.
Jesus…HE CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD….2000 years ago…read you Bible!!!  I am not saying he is not going to return, I am saying people often miss what is in front of their very noses, and in Acts Chapter one…the very followers of Jesus…were standing there waiting…looking to the clouds for something that just wasn ‘t going to happen….at least….not in the way the imagined in thier perceptions….and they were so strongly moved in their perceptions God had to send two messengers to get ‘em off of that rock, else they’d of stayed up there until the dropped dead one by one from starvation waiting for those clouds to open back up.
Look I have got a job to do.  And I care about you, each of you, but I need to state my position here more plainly.
God has brought many things into my life.   Information that  I continue to keep secretive, and had I shared the same just 5 years ago, may well have found me dead in a ditch “overdosed” to cover up an assaination…you believe whatever you like,
But I know.  Unique elements have been brought into my life to do the work I have to do.  I won’t outline that in detail to you here…but I will tell you to consider the past, your experiences with me here, and this passage of scripture…

Deu 18:15-22

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

And the LORD said unto me, They have well [spoken that] which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Deu 18:15-22

You know in 1995, I had a vision, in which I reported such to Clive just about 6 months or so ago, for the first time and he took a considerable interest in at that time.  I don’t know for sure why, though I could, but won’t speculate further here, I do know that I told the same to scores of others for many years since and at that time, even to medical proffessionals.  Clive asked the actual details of the experience…what it was like, more so than the content of the message.
You see I was watching TV and I saw something,  a map, two land masses separated by a large ocean, contients….and the voice of the female anchor “Next an update on the war between the United States and the United Arab Nations.”
I knew no such thing had occurred, and was not transpiring, still I checked other news sources to confirm, and ultimately realized I had a vision, a waking vision.  I was awake, I was watching TV…but in the moment, hearing what I did, it became surreal.  Now, again I don’t know why Clive took such an interest, perhaps he was just being polite, I do know, that only in just recent months, and quite unintentionally on my part, I came across information, that Florence Houteff was prophesying similiar event between 1955-1962, to one day occurr in the unfolding of the work that God had performed in Victor Houteff.
This may well be the last Sabbath Study I will place on Mt. Carmel, from now on such will be posted on the BDSDA page Wendi recently created, whether or not they are placed here, remains to be seen.
Some of my viewpoints on where exactly we are in prophecy differ from that presented by Branch Davidian survivors.  And while some may point out such and say oh but so and so says this, or that, I can tell you there are VERY different viewpoints amongst even the survivors as to where exactly we are in prophecy, and in those different viewpoints, evididence of different opinons about just what the message of David Koresh actually was, and what is now percieved of the same.  This as I see it is all in accordance with prophecy in Daniel chapter 11, in which a time of falling away, of “stumbling” was foretold, but likewise a time of coming back, a time of restoration.  Am I right or wrong…only time may tell, and only God truly knows.
What I do know is we are where we are, and you have witnessed what you have witnessed of me.  Believe as you will,  I will pray for you, but ultimately you are going to have to decide what it is you believe.
This week there will be no Audio Sermon.  I will place one next week.  I asked Wendi To place the audio sermon and Sabbath study in my stead last week.  It worked out so that she placed the audio sermon, and God had me place the study.  I am forwarding this to her to place on both Mt. Carmel and the BDSDA.COM page this Sabbath, as I deal with the family affairs in the loss of my aunt.
I will be conducting a study on Tithing soon.  And I am told to call for your tithes, but  I am told many things in the spirit, and often times encounter struggle, and am aware the enemy may appear as an angel of light.
I am not in the position still, despite my commission to call for such, though were absolutely sure of the source, I would do as told.  Should you decide to follow likewise, that is up to you, but know that   There is no 503C status, and Clive will not be applying for them, so this will be a sacrafice.
As I said, were I absolutely sure in this struggle and to call for such I would not hesitate, but I am aware the enemy may well be enciting me to foolishness to the peril  of detriment of the actual work of promoting the message of David Koresh still, even while seemingly sounding as the right thing. Still there are politics to consider.
Were I to pursue such avenues led of the Spirit, know that on a personal level,
my Primary concern is the immediate welfare of the survivors, those I know about.  Next to find out of the others. And as God blesses me, to approach the unjust debts leveled against the Branch Daividian Surivors by the U.S. Government and settling the same. Maybe it will take a few hurricanes to convince them, I don’t know, but at this point, I am of the strong persuasion it is going to take a whole lot of cash.
As for the other things I am told to tell you, such as what foods to buy  and not, or to pay attention to a particualar item, or whatever,  I do not care to know if you follow through or not.  That is between you, and God.  If I am not a true servant of God, I will according to Deuteronomy be held accountable, if I am, and I speak presumptuously in this matter, then I have just brought a death sentence upon my own head.  If however I am a true servant of God, and a prophet, again, I make no claim, but if I am, well, you will be held accountable, and I will, as I said, be addressing the subject in further detail later and at that time, I will give you further instructions in the matter.  I will say this once here, and I will address this subject but once more…PERIOD.  God is more than capable of dealing with you personally on individual basis to your actions in the matter accordingly whether in reward, or chastisement.  My job in such cases was and is to tell you.
I know who I am, I know who God says I am, and I am what he says I am, you either get it, or you don’t, in which case, I guess you’ll just have to figure it out.
Happy Sabbath,
-Steve
Published in: on July 17, 2008 at 6:28 pm Comments (7)