Note: this Study was conducted in August, and is placed here for archival reasons more than it is to emphasize doctrine. Some the viewpoints I expressed, while all or part may remain my position, some may actually be subject to review, but due to the nature of the content, I highly suggest lending consideration. Thank you,
–Benjamin
Intro to Sabbath Study, 8/16/2008
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
Rev 1:1 (a)
There is a condition which exists…a condition of a series of events no truly righteous soul wishes upon the world, yet likewise acknowledges these events “Must Needs Shortly Come To Pass.” In this condition, is the knowledge passed down of terrible events in which one, while blessed by the truth may well be called to pay the ultimate price for the same. With the desire to illustrate the love of JAH’ to the world, one does not wish to see the same world face judgement, to see His wrath as opposed to his love. But the understanding is given first as the righteous are sealed…to understand these terrible things “must shortly come to pass.” Such is a matter of “why” as opposed to “if,” or “when.”
To these “righteous” souls such is a source of “strength” to embrace the truth to the very end. A secondary condition exists within this same condition, it is the same knowledge being presented to and embraced by a new generation, babes, caught into the truth, raptured out of a world of lies if you will.
RAPTURE:
On the one hand a knowledge of the divine manifestation of Meshiach in the earth, and of the prophecy foretold for so long, brings with it, a joy to one coming to the same. But with it, likewise new knowledge of the actual truth behind the ‘glimmers’ of
truth used as information to promote mainstream idealogies, which are false in the totality of their presentation, even while carrying within them an “essence” of the truth. It is the essence, that ones soul connects to, knows in their genetic make up, in thier DNA coding back to the creation Adam, to be knowledge sent from God. It is the very embracement of the same essence…”THE TRUTH” which allows one to in embracing such and emptying themselves of the same, to be filled anew, and to be given more of the same essence, a greater imparttation of “The Truth.”
One soon realizes that, there has been a cover up, of grand proportions. One sees the small shimmers of “Truth” in mainstream idealogies, and one sees past all of the divisions in the various groups presenting such ideas, to a unified force, driving the same idea, and using the truth by it’s very essence, to promote a lie. A lie filled with various fantasies, which capture the imagination, leading many to embrace things which were not meant to be embraced with ignorance nor glee, such as “the Day of YHWH.” One sees these “truths” being used not to enlighten to even the smallest shimmer of “truth” to the actual teaching of the Bible, nor even behind the minute elements being “borrowed,” but rather used to lead the world at large away from the very ability to recognize the greater collective truth which thier fantasies present in “essence”; that ability to know, to recognize the divine vistitation.
This knowledge brings joy, and often likewise indignation, at realizing how close one was to missing such information after having come to a knowledge of the truth, likewise a concern to evangelize a similiarly lost world; to reach those one loves and and shares concerns for, to bring them to the same understanding.
The first Fantasy to be dispelled is already past, as the very Joy of realizing the prophecy of the return of YHWH to this world in the Flesh, that one in coming to the same, is now a minority, knowing the rest of the world to be greatly decieved.
As truth builds upon truth, one realizes the true condition of the world, the forces which drive it’s trends and fuel it’s lies, a generation of new lies to serve a pillar built with dry, crumbling bricks which supports the false doctrines of the estalished dogma, and the hopes promoted and drawn from the same to ideas which lead away from the truth.
But these are indeed…”HOPES” and however false, or distorted, are likewise precious to the new convert…hopes which one likely has been embracing prior to this awakening, this process of being salvaged to the truth from a sea of uselessness with no true end but destruction; this “salvation” which has caused one to know the truth of the times, and true identity of the Meshiach.
There is as I noted in the original condition at the opening of this installment into this study, a secondary condition, the conflict which arises as one faces letting go of the lies….seemingly facing the prospect of coming to a point of reflecting having committed ”FORSAKING HOPE”…but the truth of the matter is to investigate to set one free to embrace the greater hope of the Actual Truth as the former myths are dispelled.
But as this occurs, there is in the conflict, the inner struggle, as noted. With this struggle comes the temptation to embrace fomer “Hopes,” which one knows to be false, but would rather wish to be true when confronted with the actual “TRUTH.“ A truth which seems grim, but such specualtion is born of fear of the unknown. This leads to those who would forsake growth, but wish to simultaneously hold onto the path of truth they are forsaking and so they blend that truth they have learned, with former lies, to form a watered down “truth”. Such action is built upon trying to graph a tree of oak, with splinter of iron, and the “grim” reality is actually a tool of the adversary to cause doubt, and is no more a truth, than the notion that doing such could grow iron rods from an oak tree.
The temptation to do such, to turn back to the former truths, sets the very stage by which wheat are separated from tares, dividing those who actually wholeheartedly embrace “The Truth” from those who only embrace it in part, to whatever end or reason. Such is the process of time as Yeshua himself is recorded to have noted to his disciples, that there is a point at which both wheat and tares appear identical, and to separate them one must allow them to “grow” together.
Of those embracing only in part, many reasons may persist for so doing, most prevalent is likely fear, as the condition of those embracing the truth in whole, sets the stage whereby they find themselves in need of comfort. Such is the essence of Thessalonians chapter 4. Some when faced with this condition, this paradox of the joy of having come to the truth, knowing the former embracment of a lie, to the grim process of letting go, of forsaking what one has known, however “seemingly true” to lend consideration beyond ignorace, some for whatever reason abandon the Truth, and it’s pursuit. Content to consider themselves “studied” rather than to continue in Study, and in such contentment, the embracement of strikingly similair doctrines, still revealing…”Tares.”
This is the condition of emphasis, this paradox, this inner conflict, this process of growing pains. One realizes just Who David Koresh is in light of the scriptures, and likewise can see that without an embracement in the first place of false mainstream notions of what the scriptures actually say, one likely would not have come to a knowledge of the ministry, the true ministry of David Koresh.
The stage becomes set, for those who grow in grace, babes to become infants, infants to become toddlers, toddlers to become children, a processs of maturing into completeness.
When faced with ‘whatever’ fear of the moment, some choose the sensation of security offered by the former things, but carry within them a greater knowledge of the truth than those things present. In this embracement, the stage is set whereby one denying the process of truth, hiding from thier growing pain to reject whatever element YHWH has set before them as they reveal themselves not to have been wheat at all, but rather Tares.
The revelation of these Tares, the ability to know the difference between tares and the wheat to which they are identical in their adolesence, is derived from this very process of “growth.”
Once Identical, the “TARES” are revealed now only as “Similiar”… but in an earnest search for wheat, “Similiar” is to those concerned with harvest…”Altogether Different.”
What becomes of the Tares? Well that is not the driving focus of this presentation, we are concerned here with our own salvation, our own process of “being Salvaged” to the truth. But we should note this point of separation, and this condition of “similiarity” as a defining point whereby “Similiar” doctrines begin to form. As the Tare, not wishing to acknowledge themselves as such, but rather aspiring to “BE WHEAT” do not acknowledge within themselves their point of separation, and continue on Growing, but no longer as “Wheat” to the harvest, and in thier growth, and the embracement of that essence which once presented them seemingly as wheat, combined with that embracement of the former which actually reveals them as tares…many “NEW DOCTRINES” are formed, blending old notions, with the actual truth…the result…false doctrines which contain only “the essence of the truth” and as they divide further and further away, that essence diminishes, hence a watering down of the truth which serves to blind future generations from acknowledging the truth when it presents itself, whether that be a visit from God or otherwise. And to successive generations, this watering down of the truth has brought us full circle now to see us at both the end and beginning of a process to our own positions respectively.
So…what makes one wheat…? The answer is nothing.
That is, nothing of themselves, as salvation is truly a gift. It is within the makeup of wheat to embrace the truth for sake of the truth, moreso than any application of the same to itself. Wheat does not seek to be anything, it is merely what it is…Wheat. It would seem that the tare embraces qualities of Wheat, but is concerned with the truth only as it applies to themselves and their hopes of being wheat, but revealing such to be driven by the embracement of “the sensationalism of wheat” for so long as such holds thier attentions, I speak of course Metaphorically.
In truth as it applies to nature, to the actual grains, Tares have with them the hopes of “being wheat” but
while this hope is “with” them, it is not “within them” as they likewise merely are what they are…”tares.”
This hope of tares to be wheat, is external, and placed upon them by those doing
the harvesting, by those who desire wheat,
and theirs are another level of concern to their own calling.
Now if you have found it within yourself to actually have read this far, rather than merely scanning for headlines, you certainly have not found the aforementioned to be “tiring,” but rather such has served to hold your interest to this point, an introduction as we continue the study of America in Prophecy, as we now look at “Untimely Figs.”
Our emphasis here is to see the past with clarity, not so much for seeing the future as it would apply to worldly gain, but to a confirmation of the truth of the promise offered by the Scriptures as we realize the truth of our present condition.
This confirmation is to offer hope, not to serve not as joy by which we see others as less than ourselves, dismissing their persons, and ourselves to be content with thier destruction while we hope for a better condition than what we have, but to calm us as we tremble at where we actually exist, to help us understand, that while we would rather stay as we are, and forsake any further joys to our own inheritance. This calming to our souls combats the temptation in that such forsaking might spare this world from that which makes us “tremble,” enabling us with understanding to embrace the truth, for sake of the same.
Calm us from hoping against the truth, as we realize that which had to be noted to the 7 churches of Asia, that no matter how much we harbor hopes against coming darkness…no matter how much we would be rather tempted to embrace fairy tales to avoid the truth of that to come, with maturity, we embrace the truth of our times, not embracing this coming darkness, not gleefully wishing the same upon our neighbors, but noting the times as they truly are and undertanding such “MUST shortly come to pass.”
Hal Lindsey offers the following statement:
“This is a difficult question, mostly because it has such a difficult answer. I love my country, and I’d love to find references to it in the last days. But it isn’t there.”
Mr. Lindsey is incorrect, as YHWH was as much aware of America to this timeframe as GOG and Magog. I wonder how Mr. Lindsey’s statement would have served in the promotion of his best selling book in the 80’s “THE LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH.” My library is packed away at the moment, but I believe it is in there, I certainly know I owned the book, and recall many references to Scripture being applied to America in God’s Prophetic timeline as Mr. Lindsey saw such at that timeframe. The book noted many events of present concern during America’s Cold War with Russia, at a time when everyone was tense from childhood on, to be concerned of someone “pushing THE Button.”
Mr. Lindsey offers a single page online, much less in volume than his “Late Great” Cash crop series of books. You can read his offering of America in Prophecy in about 5 minutes to see an opposing viewpoint of this subject.
During the 1970s, the rapture became popular in
wider circles, in part due to the books of Hal Lindsey,
including The Late Great Planet Earth, which has
reportedly sold between 15 million and 35 million copies
and by the movie “A Thief in the Night” which based its
title on the scriptural reference 1 Thessalonians 5:2.[12]
Lindsey proclaimed that the rapture was imminent, an
idea that he based on world conditions at the time.
The Cold War and the European Economic Community
figured prominently in his predictions of impending Armageddon.
Other aspects of 1970s global politics were seen as having
been predicted in the Bible. Lindsey suggested, for example,
that the seven-headed beast with ten horns, cited in the
Book of Revelation, was the European Economic Community,
a forebear of the European Union, which at the time
aspired to ten nations; it now has 27 member states.
In 1995, the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation rapture was
further popularized by Tim LaHaye’s book series, Left Behind,
which sold tens of millions of copies and was
made into several movies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
Note the author of the aforementioned wikipedia article seemingly has
overlooked certain facts which would reveal William Miller, while credited
as having set a date for “the rapture” never did, he did note significance
upont the timeframe but it was those in Joshua Himes Camp of publishers who sensationalized the Teachings of William Miller and set a date publcly in opposition to William Miller’s views on the same matter. Such an article as the one above does however note that in the 70’s as the truth of The Feminine nature of the Holy Spirit was being presented by Lois Roden and shortly after promoted by other denominations…the world was such in a place to embrace aspects of the truth, but then reject the less appealing aspects of the same to formualte and embrace “watered” down versions of the truth. As I said, I have owned Mr. Lindsey’s best selling book, seen the movies in the “Distant Thunder” series including “A Thief in the night.” And I witnessed many buy into the same notions. I recall quite clearly Mr. Lindsey’s writing in the mid 80’s offering quite a different view of whether or not America could be seen in Bible Prophecy.
So here we are, we know the world has been Deceived of the person of David Koresh, we know we have witnessed the world being exposed to lies, propaganda and cover up in the matters of David Koresh and his followers in 1993. We likewise realize
the same of the actual person of David Koresh and note our present timeframe and the events we ourselves have seen unfold before our very eyes. So again the question to which we asked as we considered on July 26, 2008 in the Study on America in Prophecy
and again on August 2nd, 2008
The question of pertainence…Where ARE WE NOW? WHERE IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE ARE WE NOW IN THE PROPHETIC TIMELINE OF YHWH’?
“UNTIMELY FIGS”
Previously when addressing this question, be began in Nahum, to look to Revelations, now at this time, we begin in Revelations to look to the past, to see America in a direct parallel position to ancient Assyria, to see the modern application to our timeframe. Some would dispute “modern applications” of ancient prophecies, but such is the very salvation of the apostle Matthew, likewise Luke, John, Mark even to Paul…to understand scripture in it’s present application, to recognize the time of Divine Visitation, in the face of so much opposition and tradition.
As we consider recent events we Watch faithfully, and we pray, uncertain of the times…maybe,
maybe not, at the very least we note A STRONG FORESHADOW, and we consider
The actual fulfillment of Prophecy before our very eyes.
To place the recent events of our current timeframe, the summer of 2008, into
perspective with the observations of this study, one should note that posted on
“And There APPEARED IN HEAVEN A WOMAN…”
The Lord said by Balaam (Num 24:17),
“There shall come a star out of Jacob,
And a sceptre shall rise out of Israel.”
“VIRGO is represented as a woman with a branch in her right hand, and
some ears of corn in her left hand. Thus giving a two-fold testimony of the
Coming One. The name of this sign in the Hebrew is Bethulah, which means
a virgin, and in the Arabic a branch. “(1)
“Thomas Hyde, an eminent Orientalist (1636-1703), writing on the
ancient religion of the Persians, quotes from ABULFARAGIUS
(an Arab Christian Historian, 1126-1286), who says that ZOROASTER,
or ZERDUSHT, the Persian, was a pupil of Daniel the Prophet, and that
he predicted to the Magians (who were the astronomers of Persia), that
when they should see a new star appear it would notify the birth of a
mysterious child, whom they were to adore. It is further stated in the
Zend Avesta that this new star was to appear in the sign of the Virgin.” (1)
“Thus the brightest star in VIRGO (a) * has an ancient name, handed
down to us in all the star-maps, in which the Hebrew word Tsemech is
preserved. It is called in Arabic Al Zimach, which means the branch.” (1)
“In the Zodiac in the Temple of Denderah, in Egypt, about 2000 BC (now in Paris),
she is likewise represented with a branch in her hand, but ignorantly explained
by a false religion to represent Isis! Her name is called Aspolia, which means
ears of corn, or the seed, which shows that though the woman is seen, it is
her Seed who is the great subject of the prophecy.” (1)
Virgo August 23–September 22
This is the timeframe we consider as the month of Virgo. But such is an idea
infulenced by 3 main groups dating back to Babylonian Astrology
and it’s enforcing it’s sciences and beliefs upon the Hebrews.
Today we condider other sources noting the timeline, not for sake of
their practices of divinations, but moreso to their relevance to the topic.
Modern Tropical Astrology and Hebrew Kabbalah
place great emphasis on such things. That having been noted, while Science
is credited to observe a different pattern and purpose than Astrology,
Astronomy is credited to have originated with the Babylonians who mingled
the same sciences with astrology, and for witchcrafts and divinations.
In our present day, the sum total of the 3 prevalent groups combined for noting
the timeframe of Virgo, is about 44 and a half days, debated between August 10
and October 15/30, depending upon the calcualations and influences and purposes
of those noting the timeframe.
“THERE APPEARED A WOMAN IN HEAVEN”
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 12
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
NOTE John says “THERE APPEARED A WOMAN IN HEAVEN.”
Virgo, was not a constellation in John’s Day, but there was the
goddess virgo, known then as Dike, and likewise there was a
constellation of Draco the Serpent, and The Romans in John’s day,
worshipped Minerva who was part of a “holy triad” also a prevalent
belief system in John’s Day amongst Roman groups.
Minerva was “the virgin goddess” who was said
to have slain Draco and cast him into the stars. Surely John had the foresight
to know in his noting the song of Moses and the lesson it teaches, of
an event of which we now witness to those having occurred of 321-325 A.D.
in relation to one who would “change the times and the laws” as forewarned
in Daniel chapter 7, as witnessed by Daniel in Chapter 6, and reflected on
in his study of Jeremiah. Surely he had the foresight to note such things
in light of the rise of the Minerva Cult’s popularity in his day, with it’s
parallels to the virgin birth of his master, and the prophecies of
Daniel, prophecies which noted a time in which the Name of God
would be cast to the ground. Note in verse 2 of Revelations 12,
a matter of a woman with child is noted.
The Woman may well have been a prophecy based upon understanding
past generations, knowing that several times prior the region in which the
Star appeared in Bethlehem, would have formerely on several occaisions
been referenced as a woman image constellation. Though such was not
the case in the Roman Empire. Surely John had the exoposure to know
that Minerva, was said to have slain Draco and cast him into the stars.
Interesting that the doctrine of the Trinity has done so much to point
people away form the truth of the FATHER/MOTHER image along with
the son in the Family of YHWH of the Creation
account of Genesis 1, noting an ALL MALE TRINITY in their promotion
of doctrines which stray from the truth. Interesting that this Doctrine
was, and continues to be a pinnacle of the Roman Empire,
the HOLY Roman Empire, as Catholocism is referred to.
While Minerva was affiliated with Virgo, it would not have been as Common
a knowledge save to one educated in the Hebrew history and scriptures
as John no doubt was in 90 a.d. to know that while there a star that had appeared
in the east once, hailing the arrival of Yeshua, much sensationalized, as Chritianity was
growing, yes that likely was a growing knowledge too, but I referred to
more uncommon knowledge such as the fact that there was no constellaition
of Virgo in John’s day. But that star is said to have appeared in COMA,
in one familiar with the history of an ongoing attack upon the feminine
gender of the God Family, would know that while the Romans did not
observe a constellation relating to a Woman in the region of COMA,
“The Egyptians knew Virgo as Isis, the Goddess of Fertility. Some say
Virgo originated in Egypt. They worshiped Virgo’s brightest star, Spica,
the stellar symbol of the wheat she holds. ” (9)
The Hindus saw Virgo as Kauni, or “the Maiden.”
The Persians prior to the Greeks who were prior to the Romans
called her Khosha, or “the Ear of Wheat.”
“The Hebrews called her Bethulah, meaning “Abundance in Harvest.”(7)
“There are many identities represented by the constellation Virgo,
all of them related to maidens, purity and fertility.”(8)
And they all, prior to the Romans noted observance of “A WOMAN”
in the stars in the region of COMA in relation to their belief sets.
AND While the Romans did not observe a constellation relating to a maiden
they did have a constellation which formed a bull, one whose tail
was represented as having a sheave of wheat…
”the wheat ear (depicted on the bull’s tail)
is Spica (= Alpha Virginis, a proxy for Virgo)”(10)
Now while the Romans did not have a “Virgo” constellation,
they did have a “Draco” which was represented by a Serpent.
And later came to have the same meaning as “DRAGON.”
Again, recall that a woman was forecast to appear in Heaven,
and note of “Virgo”
“She has been seen as Minerva the Roman Goddess of Wisdom
known as Athena to the Greeks.”(6)
And Minerva, in John’s day was popularly believed to have been responsible for
slaying draco, and casting him into the stars, hmmm…”A Dragon, Appearing
in heaven.”
an image in Heaven with a “TAIL” that Drew (caused to fall) a
1/3 part of the Stars, an image tied to the timeframe of Virgo…
1/3 also a possible reference to Minerva cults and Virgo. As Minerva
was 1/3 of a “trinity” doctrine.
Like any evangelist, John would have familiarized himself with the
prevalent religions in order to witness to them, and to understand his
adversaries tactics against him.
The emphasis here to note the Virgin and the Dragon, is to point
to the Child carried by the Virgin, and to note the child in opposition
to the dragon image, the Serpent image.
Consider the prophecies of Daniel, and note this
Map of Virgo in Relation to DRACO consider the King of the North and the King of the South,
likewise Christ coming from the South and A Messenger from the East…Virgo is in the Southeastern Sky
NOW WE CONSIDER AGAIN THE IMAGE OF JOHN in Revelations 12,
We note an attack of the egyptians upon the person of the Holy Spirit, of the
Persians, now what of this woman’s child? Well consider..
Consider that John in his writitngs presents an issue of a woman with a name
written upon her forehead. In the days of John there was a rising popularity
of an obsucre religion, one which was a very secretive society, much like the
Masons of today.
Mithras cult…a Mystery Cult
“Roman Mithraism was a mystery-religion that had a unique development
that was quite separate from its earlier history in Iran, India, and Upper Mesopotamia.
It gained a widespread following in the Roman Empire during the first four centuries
of the present era, especially in the Roman army. ” (11)
Constantine who sought to create a “universal” religion, (the word
Catholic means “universal”) after his conversion to Christianity,
came from the Cult of Mithros. Consider now many scholars
note that Christ was likely born near Fall or Spring, and many note
the possiblity of September. Such was pointed out to myself and
an entire class of preacher boys by Jack Schaap at Hyles-Anderson
Bible college, and such was the first time I ever heard anything
of that likes.
I later would learn that Mithros was supposedly born of a Virgin
and walked the earth about 300 B.C….this is not too far from the
time frame of the fall of Babylon. Likewise, Mithros has a Birthday
which to no dispute of any present finding on my part, is reported
to be DECEMBER 25th.
Now whether that December is the 12th month we now observe
or the 10th month (Deca=ten) it orginally observed which falls in
line with our current month of October (octa=eight) which
was the noted timespan of the fall of Babylon to Cyrus,
we can not delve into here at this time.
What we can do is further note the events of Daniel’s timespan
as they related to John’s, that we may observe John’s as it relates
to ours and we lead into our next focus on the Untimely Figs of
Revelations chapter 6, and the appearance of “stars falling from
Heaven” in conjunction with the annual Perseids meteor shower.
“Magus or magi were a member of the Zoroastrian priestly caste of the Medes and
Persians, after the rise of Zoroaster (Greek name), whose real name was
Zarathustra (Persian) and he founded Zoroastrianism in 500 B.C. The ancient
Greeks and Hebrews knew them as astrologers, interpreters of dreams, and givers
of omens. These Magi or wise men (sages) from the East traveled to Bethlehem
to pay homage to the infant Jesus. Whatever it may have been, as you know it
resulted in the story of the Wise Men (Magi), who selected one particular star and
followed it to the place where the baby Jesus lay. ” (12)
Now here having noted the possible spiritial implications of such references
in light of the historical, we now add the PHYSICAL and recall the event of
this past week, the annual Persieds Metoer shower, an annual event which
unites us to John, John to Daniel, Daniel to Moses and all to one another,
as all would have been able to observe such. We look now at a more
Practical application, noting that Science, did not start with the Babylonians,
as ALL truth flows from YHWH.
Now here today, August 30th, I update this message to those who cared enough to
investigate. Such an attitude demonstrates maturity. I present a gift to you,
the knowledge that I have a few remaining audio sermons left. I don’t promise to
share them all, but I will share some or most, and eventually, yes, maybe all.
Some of the content requires maturity to see past sensationalism of certain
statements which have already been taken out of context and used to attack
the Branch Davidians, and requires maturity to grasp
the greater truth being offered.
Maturity…one of the sermons has a side two which is only about 30 to 39 minutes
long, maybe more, but not much, possibly less. It is of such poor quality that
it took me nearly two hours to listen to it, winding, and rewinding, placing my
ear all the way against the speaker, and at the end of the process, glad I had
as the information was relevant to that on side one, and it was also pertinent
to placing side one into proper perspective.
The Chinese have a word for a book owned but not read…”paperweight.”
You see, one has to truly care about the truth, for sake of the truth, in order
to find it. If you are reading this for the first time, this addendum, then simply
note you liked the study, or at least found it interesting on the message boards
and I will take note, but do not share this with those who would not care
to know it for themselves, who would not care to show the diligence to
seek the truth.
UPDATED SEPTEMBER 13th 2008:
Here is the link to the Audio Sermon (TITLE OMITTED)You can hear it, and it is much
clearer on the original tape than it is here, I will try to reconvert it again after
Sabbath and if so will place an additional link to the Clearer copy should I
succeed. This one is one of the shorter ones. I remind you again, that these
are offered as reward to the diligent. Even if your purpose is in opposition to the
work of David Koresh, you will have to be diligent if you are to acquire these from me.
And in such, you will be exposed to the message God has me give in the timeframe
to the continued support of David Koresh and his ministry. For those sharing
similiar loyaties as myself, again, please honor the request made in the preceeding
paragraph. From this time forward, if you like to comment on the Audio sermon, simply
name it, and your comment, but do not point further to this study at this time.
Those who wish to catch up, shall have to do so.
LINK TO (TITLE OMITTED) HAS BEEN REMOVED.
UPDATE OCTOBER 7th, 2008
Goto this link
This link above, is the most recent Sabbath Study.
I often make references to other posts, and emails.
Due to the lenght involved, as we are talking about 3 years of
Correspondance, I make many references to Excerpts. BUT I ARCHIVE
EVERYTHING…AND I MEAN EVERYTHING FROM MY EMAIL, and most Recently,
I spent half a day, actually and entire night doing likewise with my posts.
The reason I do this, is for sake of clarity. It is easy for people to misquote themselves
to accuse others of the same. In this, it is easy for one to make implied
statements which are false, and misleading, without actually lying verbatim.
Likewise, it is easy in having such archived, to offer the truth in such matters.
I have a lot of issues of concerns of posts being altered and deleted.
Those reading this now, have been paying attention. You no doubt
witnessed at least one of these occasions in progress.
I will convert another audio sermon by Friday. I was going to wait until Monday,
prior to the High Sabbath of Tabernacles, a feast which honors the very
name of God, to release such.
Still might, it will be placed in the link above. Such link has been placed on
the Return of Koresh Message board to the Sabbath Study of this past weekend,
for reasons you will understand when reading.
While some may find their way to this post in searching, I will not make any more
references to this post with these updates in it. I suggest you copy the link.
I will announce the audio sermon to be contained in a link which will be added
I ask again, you honor that requested of you in the first update to this study, and
you should check back here again after October 22, periodically until I tell you otherwise in
these matters. This update will have the links removed from it within 24 hours.
Good Luck to those paying heed. (last 2 sentences of this paragraph removed 40 minutes APPROX
beyond set deadline)
-Steve
(aug 30 update contd)
There is no link to any audio sermon in this study now, which you have not
already been given, but I will soon, start hiding links to new audio sermons
not posted previously, in future Sabbath Studies. For those who cared enough
to read, thank you for your consideration, I hope you have been blessed,
and I encourage you, to continue reading the rest of this study. These links
may be time sensative, and possibly removed within a couple of days or so after
being posted. So if you are visiting now, and the links have been placed, and are
no longer active, well Keep seeking, but if you had the opportunity to read
this as it was presented, not just the first time, but rather counselled you of
the Spirit on Aug 30 to view again, well take such into consideration.
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it should be noted here that last summer, a small group of those who actually both read my posts, and lend true consideration, at least to that timeframe were given a link, one placed in plain view on the Mt. Carmel DB, still there as of a week or two ago as well, and what is noted here was noted then, I began to place Sabbath Studies in a separate location from the Mt. Carmel DB. Within this particualr study, is the following selection. As after having placed the study once, and by now you realize it to be a long albeit attention keeping study, I had requested on the Mt Carmel DB that that for a Sabbath Study, those keeping up, go back and re-read this study in it’s new location, those who did, found this update, and in it links to Audio Sermons by David Koresh which were not placed on the MT. Carmel DB, nor placed publicly anywhere else as they contained mature and potentially controversial content. By my request, those paying attention, acknowledged having found this, and in a fashion so as to keep from revealing such to those not paying attention, thier reward I felt was two fold, reading again this study, and finding as well a link to an audio sermon. Those links were time sensative, and have since been removed from this post though still active and in the posession of myself and those who found them. I still have 3 or 4 sermons I have not posted, some highly controversial, and may not be posted at all, but if they are, the links will be placed here, and suggestions to visit this post will be made on the Mt. Carmel DB. As in the past, the links will be time sensative, and I will set a deadline, to which upon it’s passing I will remove them from here. Below are past updates left here, at the end of which this study will resume itself. Thank you,
-Benjamin
UPDATE JANUARY 13, 2009
“Conversations with you, and a Conversation with a Survivor, Where did David Koresh actually stand on Revelations 13
Ok, this won’t take long, for those just getting here for the first time, a big round of applause, you really had to seek, congradualtions. If you were here in the summer, copy and paste this update into an email, send it to me with a genuine request for missing links to the audio sermons you missed, and I may well oblige you. God, is in the saving business.
TO those paying attention, WELCOME BACK! It’s been a while eh’?
Okay this will be brief but only at this time, when you see the phrase “untimely figs” in the near future perhaps a couple weeks or so, on the Mt. Carmel Discussion Board, that will be your cue, return here to read the updated conversation. The Reason this will be brief, is that I want to accurately tell you what was taught by DAVID KORESH on this subject, but I feel it is very sensative information and wish not to publicize so openly as the discussion board, and as in times past, request likewise that you do the same. And the brief nature here is to caption quickly what Clive said in highlight rather than detail, saving the detail for the next discussion at which time, I should have a very detailed grasp of what he has to say on the subject of latter day prophecy taught under David concerning revelations 13, and 17. Now at such time, when you come here, a link will be provided, as the topic will be lenghty enough to justify it as a Sabbath Study. For now I will bullet list points already discussed in further detail, or in contrast to my entire contribution to the post “The Coming Sunday Mark” by Blinky Posted by blinky on January 12, 2009, 12:48 pm at the following link.
OF which I will archive for my own records, and suggest you do likewise. Goto your browser, and find a button called “PAGE” and click, when a list of options pops up, click
“Save page as” and select “Html Archive” this will document the page exactly as it was seen on a particular date of the saving operation. And can be viewed offline, but likewise emailed later. You may wish to save in other format options provided as well.
THE BULLET LIST:
(this update will be removed Tuesday, February 3rd) and while I am here…Please pray for Los Angeles.
(BMSIAD–GHD, NBEOTSLMWRTALARJC—TBOTPHCUBTFOTW–WAP)
The Bullet list here, refers to a conversation I had with Clive. I felt the infomation to perhaps be sensative, as belonging to a certain group of people, and recall a sermon by David Koresh in which he notes info to the Students there, citing it as survival info for a time which was yet to come, and that for those who would reveal such to the wrong group of people would be “Like unto Judas.” Therefore, leaving time that only the most diligent may perhaps find this conversation, I will give it until Tuesday on the BDSDA site, at which time it will be removed that it may only be found in a location only the most diligent may find it. This is a continuation to a conversation started on The Mt. Carmel DB with regards to Latter day Doctrine of Revelations 13…from a thread which highlighted a conversation which replied to viewpoints offered by “Blinky” on the same Chapter of The Book of Revelation.
OK… as to Jerusalem or Israel, the current Modern Zionist state, Clive didn’t use those words, and he doesn’t recall David saying such, but he states that another survivor, one looked to as an authority on doctrine, emphatically recalls David citing this, and has stated such to Clive. Emphasizing that Modern Israel would be the Two Horned Beast of Revelation 13.
Now, as to the two timeframes between the first beast of Revelation 13 and the beast of Revelation 17, I am still a little unclear on the position that Clive stated David in his memory took on the first Beast, but I know it is a current system. America, hiding under the guise of the United Nations will invade Israel, under a guise of peacekeeping, but nonetheless, it will be an occupying force. They will rape the women there, and defile the Hebrews, trying to impose Christianity upon them, not true Christianity as we know it, but that false Beast system we kn’ow, which encapsulates the Catholics, the Baptists, The protestants…etc. NOW, this Clive says, Scripture records that God says that is like poking a finger in God’s eye. This will cause Christ to come down to Earth in the Flesh, and America, the USA under guise of THE UNITED NATIONS FORCES, the NATIONS mentioned in Zecheriah 14, in the opening verses who go against Israel, will be DRIVEN OUT…this will be a deadly blow against the head of the Beast…it hasn’t happened yet, according to Clive, and this blow will DESTROY CAPITOLISM…hence the reason the Merchants will weep, because nobody will buy thier mercandise any more, (REV 18) AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THE FIRST BEAST IN REVELATIONS 13 RECIEVES THE DEADLY WOUND. THIS WILL ALSO BRING AN END TO THE fALSE CHRISTIANDOM. CHRIST IN JERUSALEM, WILL BE CALLED THE ANTI CHRIST BY THE ARMIES OF THE WORLD HAVING BEEN CHASED OUT. HE could have destroyed them all, but he didnt’, this was not his wish, but the beast system will not repent, rather they harden their hearts calling him anti christ and the 3rd world countries will align with the whore, but they hate her, they despise her christiandom, and they far outnumber her in thier Isalam, Muslim and Hindu religions, but they tolerate her, and in truth, the prominent Jewish influence now Here, will turn upon Israel, to embrace the Oil bearing countries as Israel will have nothing they desire, but then the rain is withheld. And following that, famine comes.
Still the beast system and those in it do not repent, though God is willing that they should, and if they will, well they will be saved, and in truth, many will, as America “THE ASSYRIAN” will have a HIGHWAY to Jerusalem, and many will be saved encouraged to bring in thier loved ones. And the Kingdom known in Israel who chased out the NATIONS (UN/USA) will grow and other nations will align to Jerusalem and Christ. Not only does he come down but his bride also, manifest in the flesh. And this is what become the object of Satans desire to have sex with her, and his pursuit of her will be his undoing, and he will be bound, and limited and lose his power.
The 3rd world nations will hate the whore, and forsake her at some point, but America will not be utterly destroyed, as a highway mentioned previously will come of her, to Jerusalem. Still the 3rd world Arab states will grow concerned at the growing Jerusalem kingdom, and the former 2nd Beast of Reve 13, having lost the power of the first, will try to resurrect a new kingdom and will succeed, this beast power, with 7 heads will be a religion, but not like the modern christianity now known, rather, this Beast will sit on many waters as well, but will be a new religion at which all lost will marvel, meanwhile the saved continue to align with jerusalem. The Arab states will join the new beast system of Rev 17 controlled by the two horned lamb like beast of Rev 13 and AND ALL NATIONS WILL RISE AGAIN AGAIST JERUSALEM, because they all, failing to pay tribute to Christ in travelling to Jerusalem for Succoth, will suffer famine as Christ will stop the rain, and the wicked of those nations will see many starve and die, as Jerusalem and those with her prosper and get rain and live. They will hate Jerusalem all the more, and finally will still fail to pay homage, and plague will be sent, at which point, they will likely die. But all along the way, God has offered, chance after chance, and many will accept, but many will die.
WOW huh? If you have been paying attention, and you made it here, please, email me, let me know, God bless all who made it here, and those still trying.
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Now back
to our regularly scheduled Sabbath Study…
A WOMAN WITH CHILD TRAVAILING TO GIVE BIRTH
The prophecy of Yeshua
2000 years ago, a Star appeared in the East,
COMA, the constellation of (in the Lap of what is now
Virgo, what was priorly on several occaisions before
the Roman Empire named a Female Constellation,
but in the Roman Empire was a
Sheaf of Wheat in a Bulls Tail image)
Many try to say it is Polaris. Others specualte COMA.
“It is difficult to separate the Virgin and her Seed in the prophecy; and so, here, we
have first the sign VIRGO, where the name points to her as the prominent subject;
while in the first of the three constellations of this sign, where the woman appears
again, the name COMA points to the child as the great subject. “(1)
“It was in all probability the constellation of Coma in which
“the Star of Bethlehem” appeared. There was a traditional
prophecy, well-known in the East, carefully preserved and
handed down, that a new star would appear in this sign when
He whom it foretold should be born. “….
“Thomas Hyde, an eminent Orientalist (1636-1703), writing on the
ancient religion of the Persians, quotes from ABULFARAGIUS
(an Arab Christian Historian, 1126-1286),
who says that ZOROASTER, or ZERDUSHT, the Persian,
was a pupil of Daniel the Prophet, and that he predicted to
the Magians (who were the astronomers of Persia), that when
they should see a new star appear it would notify the birth of a
mysterious child, whom they were to adore. It is further stated
in the Zend Avesta that this new star was to appear in the sign
of the Virgin. Some have supposed that this passage is not genuine.
But whether it was interpolated before or after the event, it is equally
good evidence for our purpose here. For if it was written before the
event, it is evidence of the prophetic announcement;
and if it was interpolated after the event it is evidence
of the historic fact “(1)
“THE WOMAN AND A GREAT RED DRAGON APPEARING IN HEAVEN”
Now some would fling accusations for delving into Astronomy, and
let me emphasize here, the purpose is for Observance to the present
conditions…to note the timeframe we are in, that we may OBSERVE,
that we may WATCH…and not to make divinations as the astrologers
of Babylon. The very Sun, Moon and stars were created to this Purpose
by the divine hand…consider…
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide
the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for
days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon
the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the
lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light
upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
“The moon orbits the earth in a roughly circular path, taking about one
month from start to finish. In fact, that is where we get the idea for a
“month.” According to Scripture, one of the reasons God created the
celestial bodies was to be for signs, seasons, days, and years
The moon does just that. It continually orbits the earth every
month with clockwork precision.” (13)
“The zodiac also means a region of the celestial sphere that includes
a band of eight arc degrees above and below the ecliptic, and therefore
fixed stars of the celestial sphere (Ptolemy).” (28)
TODAY…
“VIRGO is represented as a woman with
a branch in her right hand, and some
ears of corn in her left hand. Thus giving a two-fold
testimony of the Coming One.
The name of this sign in the Hebrew is Bethulah,
which means a virgin,
and in the Arabic a branch. “(1)
(15)
The Earth in its orbit around the Sun causes the Sun to appear on the celestial
sphere moving over the ecliptic (red), which is tilted on the equator (blue).
The earth in line with Draco and “cloaked” by the sun, placing the moon at
the feet of what is now Virgo
Now consider that the image of Virgo as Astronomers note such,
is comprised of 11 points representing Messier Objects of Virgo,
The elliptical and Spiral Galaxies which comprise the image.
But such is a reference set from Genesis to our purpose for noting
times and seasons ON THE EARTH.
There is a twelfth Galaxy to consider…the very origin for the point of
reference to which such observation applies…OUR OWN Galaxy.
The term Solar System comes from the SOL system, Sol is a
reference to the Babylonian sun god. And while every galaxies sun
in the messier objects of Virgo have names…modern astronomers
while naming every star in sight, do not recognize our sun as having
a name, but merely refer to it as “THE SUN.” Now
This ommission of considering our own galaxy in relation to our
observance of the constellation of Virgo, masks our sun, clothes it
if you will, but in recognition of such forms a 12 star.
Note that scripture notes “A CROWN OF TWELVE STARS
AT HER HEAD.”
The popular image of Virgo is not the same observed by Astronomers,
The eleven star systems they observe, form ‘THE BODY” of the image of
Virgo. There are actually 15 points in the image, the other 5 forming
the head of the image of the maiden image observed in astrology.
Astronomers note the Body, because all of the points which form
the image are actually Stars…even in the body,
(16)
Map of Virgo with 11 star chart of Body
some illustrations show more than 11 points,
but THERE ARE NOW, ONLY 11 GALAXIES are in the formation of the
BODY of the image,
Messier Objects of Virgo (19)
- M49 (elliptical galaxy)
- M58 (spiral galaxy)
- M59 (elliptical galaxy)
- M60 (elliptical galaxy)
- M61 (spiral galaxy)
- M84 (elliptical galaxy)
- M86 (elliptical galaxy)
- M87 Virgo A (elliptical galaxy)
- M89 (elliptical galaxy)
- M90 (spiral galaxy)
- M104 The Sombrero Galaxy (spiral galaxy)
and Our Sun, Called by many names by various pagan
religions along the way,
Baal, SOL, Apollo,Mithros, Today it is now called merely “THE SUN”
and it serves to clothe the mystery of Revelations 12, to
our earth by the fact of those who
fail or omit to observing it relating to being a part of the Virgo
image as a point of reference, and our sun when considering
orientation, and points of reference
IS A TWELFTH STAR System
to Virgo, if only undebatebly by passing through the
alignment once a year. Note the truth of Malachi 4, to “The Sun” rising
“with healing in his wings” in Service to YHWH, not as the object of
worship of false cults.
So When YOU CONSIDER OUR SUN in this timeframe
approaching in relation to that same
constellation YOU HAVE 12 Stars…not Eleven
AT THE HEAD of the WOMAN.
Now When our Sun passes through the alignment
once a year, and at such time…our moon will be
at the FEET of that image.
Now Look at this image and see Our Moon Approaches
the Feet of that image as our earth and Sun Pass
through the Alignment:
(24)
Position of the Moon and Sun in realtime…
(Aug 6th) Approaching Virgo…(moon approaching feet)
We wrap it up here, but note before we stop, the
weakened condition of our military bases stateside,
as our armies are disperesed abroad,
we note challenges being issued of Heaven to a kingdom,
and mockery being offered to those preparations
being made on the part of that kingdom to do battle
with heaven.
As we later look at NAHUM…we will be noting that
there is a seemingly mirror image of events in Heaven
prior to later unfolding on the earth. We have noted
the significance of scriptural reference to Untimely figs,
and a timeframe to perhaps a coded message in
Revelations noting a particular season.
Consider that which Yeshua is recorded to have taught
his Disciples, a particular Prayer of specifics…
“pray that your flight be not in winter, nor
on the Sabbath Day” paraphrase mine…
note in particular that a timeframe of seasons
is noted. The Annointed one, Yeshua, often spoke
from Daniel, there is an issue of “The Man of Sin Being
Revealed” and to understand such, one should note that
the timeframe of the fall of Babylon to Cyrus, was
about the timeframe of the festival of the Sin cult,
who worshipped the moon god whose name
was “Sin.” One should also note this was a season
just after or about Harvest, and prior to winter.
One should also note Belshazzar’s mockery of Daniel,
implicating his mockery also of Marduk, the
sun God of his Fathers worship prior to
Nebudchudnezzars conversion upon having eaten with
wild animals for 7 years to Glorify YHWH the one God,
the living God of heaven and Daniels prophecies to one
who would “worship not the god of his fathers.”
As Daniel considered the prophecies of those before
him, we see Daniel as an annointed one,
a servant of JAH’.
Nahum 3:12 All thy strong holds shall be like fig
trees with the firstripe figs: if they be shaken,
they shall even fall into the mouth of the eater.
King James Version: Nahum Chapter 3
1 Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not;
2 The noise of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of
the pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots.
3 The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear:
and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there
is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:
4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot,
the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms,
and families through her witchcrafts.
5 Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy
skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.
6 And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile,
and will set thee as a gazingstock.
7 And it shall come to pass, that all they that look upon thee shall flee from thee,
and say, Nineveh is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence
shall I seek comforters for thee?
8 Art thou better than populous No, that was situate among the rivers,
that had the waters round about it, whose rampart was the sea, and
her wall was from the sea?
9 Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength,
and it was infinite; Put and Lubim were thy helpers.
10 Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young
children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets:
and they cast lots for her honourable men, and all her great men
were bound in chains.
11 Thou also shalt be drunken: thou shalt be hid, thou also shalt
seek strength because of the enemy.
12 All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs:
if they be shaken, they shall even fall into the mouth of the eater.
13 Behold, thy people in the midst of thee are women:
the gates of thy land shall be set wide open unto thine
enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.
14 Draw thee waters for the siege, fortify thy strong holds:
go into clay, and tread the morter, make strong the brickkiln.
15 There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut thee off,
it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm: make thyself many as the
cankerworm, make thyself many as the locusts.
16 Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven:
the cankerworm spoileth, and fleeth away.
17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great
grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when
the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.
18 Thy shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria: thy nobles shall dwell in
the dust: thy people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man
gathereth them.
19 There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous:
all that hear the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee:
for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually?
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References:
Quotes:
(2)
In fact, the tail of Leo points right towards Virgo. Another option is to find it’s
brightest star, Spica. To find Spica, start at the Big Dipper. Follow the arc of the
handle to Arcturus and then continue on to Spica. As the accompanying image
shows, Virgo is a large constellation. In fact, it is the 2nd largest constellation.
(3)
Spiral galaxies, denote by S, have a central nucleus surrounded by a flattened
disc with the stars, gas, and dust organized into a pattern of spiral arms.
Irregular galaxies, which have no obvious nucleus or ordered structure, are
denoted by “Irr” and are broadly subdivided into “Irr I” and “Irr II”. Irr I
galaxies display evidence of recent or ongoing star formation
(4)
Virgo is the 6th sign of the zodiac; the sun passes through this constellation
from late september to the end of october. It is the second largest
constellation in the sky (the largest is Hydra).
(5)
In various legends Virgo represents the goddess of justice or
the goddess of the harvest. the leading star, alpha Vir, Spica
(meaning the ear of wheat), a blue-white star of 1.0 mag.
(6)
“She has been seen as Minerva the Roman Goddess of
Wisdom known as Athena to the Greeks.”
(7)
The Hindus saw Virgo as Kauni, or “the Maiden.”
The Persians called her Khosha, or “the Ear of Wheat.”
“The Hebrews called her Bethulah, meaning “Abundance in Harvest.”
(8)
“There are many identities represented by the constellation Virgo,
all of them related to maidens, purity and fertility.”
(9)
The Egyptians knew Virgo as Isis, the Goddess of Fertility. Some say Virgo
originated in Egypt. They worshiped Virgo’s brightest star, Spica, the stellar
symbol of the wheat she holds.
(10)
Roman Constellations “the wheat ear (depicted on the bull’s tail)
is Spica (= Alpha Virginis, a proxy for Virgo)”
Gary D. Thompson
(11)
Mithras cult…a Mystery Cult
“Roman Mithraism was a mystery-religion that had a unique development that
was quite separate from its earlier history in Iran, India, and Upper Mesopotamia.
It gained a widespread following in the Roman Empire during the first four centuries
of the present era, especially in the Roman army. “
Gary D. Thompson
(12)
Magus or magi were a member of the Zoroastrian priestly caste of the Medes
and Persians, after the rise of Zoroaster (Greek name), whose real name was
Zarathustra (Persian) and he founded Zoroastrianism in 500 B.C. The ancient
Greeks and Hebrews knew them as astrologers, interpreters of dreams, and
givers of omens. These Magi or wise men (sages) from the East traveled to
Bethlehem to pay homage to the infant Jesus. Whatever it may have been,
as you know it resulted in the story of the Wise Men (Magi), who selected one
particular star and followed it to the place where the baby Jesus lay.
(13)
“The moon orbits the earth in a roughly circular path, taking about one month
from start to finish. In fact, that is where we get the idea for a “month.”
According to Scripture, one of the reasons God created the celestial bodies
was to be for signs, seasons, days, and years (Genesis 1:14)—in other words,
to mark the passage of time. The moon does just that. It continually orbits
the earth every month with clockwork precision.”
“Taking Back Astronomy: The Spelendors of God’s Creation”
by Dr. Jason Lisle February 28, 2008
(28)
“The zodiac also means a region of the celestial sphere that includes a
band of eight arc degrees above and below the ecliptic, and therefore
fixed stars of the celestial sphere (Ptolemy).”
Illustrations:
(14)
map of Virgo/Kanya cluster
(15)
The Earth in its orbit around the Sun causes the Sun to appear on the
celestial sphere moving over the ecliptic (red), which is tilted on the
equator (blue).
The earth in line with Draco and “cloaked” by the sun, placing the
moon at the feet of what is now Virgo
(16)
Map of Virgo with 11 star chart of Body
(17a)
Map of Virgo in Relation to DRACO consider the King of the North and
the King of the South, likewise Christ coming from the South and A
Messenger from the East…Virgo is in the Southeastern Sky
(17b)
(18)
Named Stars of Virgo
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations/Virgo.html
(19)
Messier Objects of Virgo
- M49 (elliptical galaxy)
- M58 (spiral galaxy)
- M59 (elliptical galaxy)
- M60 (elliptical galaxy)
- M61 (spiral galaxy)
- M84 (elliptical galaxy)
- M86 (elliptical galaxy)
- M87 Virgo A (elliptical galaxy)
- M89 (elliptical galaxy)
- M90 (spiral galaxy)
- M104 The Sombrero Galaxy (spiral galaxy)
(20)
http://seds.org/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/virgo.html
(21)
Chart 411 shows the position of the moon when the peak of
the eclipse occurs as seen from Jerusalem at 1:47 am JST on
March 15, 2006.� The lines on the chart are constellation
border lines.� The moon is seen here just inside the border
of Virgo and Leo.� This is a somewhat unique position for
the moon to be in during the eclipse.� It is at or very near
this point where the prophecy concerning the Messiah begins
and ends.� His birth in the beginning portrayed by Bethulah
(Virgo) and the final destruction of the serpent or dragon and
the serpent�s seed (Rev. 22:10-15) portrayed by the Sign
Arieh (Leo).
(22) *note
Halley’s comet and other canidates for the Star of Bethlehem
noted in this article
“ Mathews believes the April 17, 6 B.C., alignment is the most
likely candidate. It makes sense because he believes the wise
men were Zoroastrian astrologers who would have recognized the
planetary alignment in Aries as a sign a powerful leader was born.”
(23)
Zoraster “was a student of Daniel when he was in Babylon.”
“He learned from Daniel that a star would appear in the
constellation of COMA when that one whom it was foretold
would be born.”
(24)
Position of the Moon and Sun in realtime…(Aug 6th) Approaching
Virgo…(moon approaching feet) pushing towards Libra
(25)
Bootes would appear in the East in the Spring Sky, Virgo the
South, Draco the North
(26)
Persieds Meteor Shower “the Stars falling from heaven”
(27)
Persieds Meteor Shower an image in Heaven with a “TAIL” that Drew
(caused to fall) a 1/3 part of the Stars
(29)
“Shooting stars” and “falling stars” are both names that
people have used for many hundreds of years to
describe meteors “
(30)
“Meteor showers are named by the constellation
from which meteors appear to fall, a spot in the
sky astronomers call the radiant. For instance,
the radiant for the Leonid meteor shower is
located in the constellation Leo. The Perseid
meteor shower is so named because meteors
appear to fall from a point in the constellation Perseus.”
(31)
Stargazing Tip
August 5, 2008: Spica, the brightest star of
the constellation Virgo, stands just to the
upper right of the Moon at nightfall.
Scripture Index:
King James Version: Genesis Chapter 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of
the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters
which were under the firmament from the waters which
were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and
the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of
the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb
yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind,
whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after
his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after
his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven
to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light
upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the
light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
King James Version: Nahum Chapter 2
1 He that dasheth in pieces is come up before thy face: keep the
munition, watch the way, make thy loins strong, fortify thy power mightily.
2 For the LORD hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the
excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are
in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of
his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against
another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall
run like the lightnings.
5 He shall recount his worthies: they shall stumble in their walk; they
shall make haste to the wall thereof, and the defence shall be prepared.
6 The gates of the rivers shall be opened, and the palace shall be dissolved.
7 And Huzzab shall be led away captive, she shall be brought up, and her
maids shall lead her as with the voice of doves, tabering upon their breasts.
8 But Nineveh is of old like a pool of water: yet they shall flee away.
Stand, stand, shall they cry; but none shall look back.
9 Take ye the spoil of silver, take the spoil of gold: for there is none end
of the store and glory out of all the pleasant furniture.
10 She is empty, and void, and waste: and the heart melteth, and the knees
smite together, and much pain is in all loins, and the faces of them all gather blackness.
11 Where is the dwelling of the lions, and the feedingplace of the young lions,
where the lion, even the old lion, walked, and the lion’s whelp, and none made them afraid?
12 The lion did tear in pieces enough for his whelps, and strangled for his lionesses,
and filled his holes with prey, and his dens with ravin.
13 Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots
in the smoke, and the sword shall devour thy young lions: and I will cut off thy
prey from the earth, and the voice of thy messengers shall no more be heard.
King James Version: Nahum Chapter 3
1 Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not;
2 The noise of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the
pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots.
3 The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and
there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is
none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:
4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the
mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families
through her witchcrafts.
5 Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts
upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.
6 And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile, and will set thee
as a gazingstock.
7 And it shall come to pass, that all they that look upon thee shall flee from thee,
and say, Nineveh is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence shall I seek comforters for thee?
8 Art thou better than populous No, that was situate among the rivers, that had the
waters round about it, whose rampart was the sea, and her wall was from the sea?
9 Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite; Put and Lubim were thy
helpers.
10 Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were
dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for her honourable
men, and all her great men were bound in chains.
11 Thou also shalt be drunken: thou shalt be hid, thou also shalt seek strength
because of the enemy.
12 All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs: if they be shaken,
they shall even fall into the mouth of the eater.
13 Behold, thy people in the midst of thee are women: the gates of thy land shall be
set wide open unto thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.
14 Draw thee waters for the siege, fortify thy strong holds: go into clay, and tread the
morter, make strong the brickkiln.
15 There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut thee off, it shall eat thee up like
the cankerworm: make thyself many as the cankerworm, make thyself many as the locusts.
16 Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven: the cankerworm
spoileth, and fleeth away.
17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which
camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their
place is not known where they are.
18 Thy shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria: thy nobles shall dwell in the dust: thy
people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man gathereth them.
19 There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear the bruit of
thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed
continually?
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that
were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou
not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their
brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and
island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains,
and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens
and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that
sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Note Clothed with Sackcloth in Revelations 11, likewise in the sermon “the bird” one
who would come bringing the name of God, and with that placing into perspective a
mystery of the sun and moon and stars being darkened.
Note here also in Revelations 11 a reference to TWO different Kingdoms, spiritial
reference in physical application to a present city. Consider the previous constellations
the Jews had witnessed other empires attribute in the region of the Sky now known as Virgo,
about the time of a star appearing in the east, possibly in COMA, as opposed to the Roman
Constellations. Note that if one were to consider Draco in Heaven the opposite side of that
image (feet) would place you in the region of Virgo in the night sky.
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 11
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and
measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto
the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred
and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power
over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless
pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and
Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three
days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts
one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon
their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended
up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the
earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to
the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 12
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon
under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven
heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the
dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon
as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child
was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they
should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and
the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is
cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the
earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he
knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman
which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the
wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might
cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up
the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of
her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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